Call Of Duty 2015

[TyGuy]

Yeah right, my 560Ti needed upgraded 2 years ago.

And apparently you and I differ in what we're actually talking about. There's no way you're running any current release with ultra graphics on a video card that outdated.

I'm building a rig, not so I can play at 60 fps on minimum settings.

If it's not running Ultra settings at 60fps, then it's not worth building. As for your RAM, what did you buy? Standard class junk? I've never spent less than $150 a pair. And even that's going low end Kingston gaming RAM.

Even gaming on a budget, you're not building anything capable of running Ultra/60fps for less than a grand. And you'd be lucky to pull that one off.

Why do I need to run ultra settings for me to play the games? I never got that ultra or nothing mentality. And yes, I did get ram for that cheap. If you recall there was a time when they were practically giving away ram. That stopped when ssd s started to become popular.

Why is it only worth playing PC games at ultra everything 60 minimum but consoles get a pass on sub 1080 p 30fps lock?

In case you are wondering, with my new 970 card and ancient cpu I can run everything 1080 p "maxed" with 60 plus fps. With my old 480 I couldn't.

 

[Man Called X]

Why do I need to run ultra settings for me to play the games? I never got that ultra or nothing mentality. And yes, I did get ram for that cheap. If you recall there was a time when they were practically giving away ram. That stopped when ssd s started to become popular.

Because that is always the main argument behind PC gaming. If the PC game offers better quality graphics, etc, then that's the point in having Ultra or nothing.

I'll probably always be a console gamer for that reason. Prefer to be on even ground with everyone than always being upset that there's something more I could to upgrade my system.

Just can't justify dropping 2 grand to have to turn around and do it again in 5 years because it's all outdated.

That said, I still build a gaming rig every few years. But I get a lot more life out of my consoles than I do any rig I build.

 

[Ohdang]

To build a high end rig that's going to last 5 years is going to run at least $1500-2000.

Where are you getting this number from? I just built one that will last far longer than 5 years for a tad over $700 after $100 in rebates, and that's including dual monitors.

I then sold my 5 year old i5 system I built for roughly the same price on Craigslist for $500 to some guy who didn't know how to build his own. I'll probably repeat the cycle in 5 years.

PC gaming used to be cost prohibitive with bad developer support but that has changed.

 

[TyGuy]

Because that is always the main argument behind PC gaming. If the PC game offers better quality graphics, etc, then that's the point in having Ultra or nothing.

I'll probably always be a console gamer for that reason. Prefer to be on even ground with everyone than always being upset that there's something more I could to upgrade my system.

Just can't justify dropping 2 grand to have to turn around and do it again in 5 years because it's all outdated.

That said, I still build a gaming rig every few years. But I get a lot more life out of my consoles than I do any rig I build.

I spent less than a grand 5 years ago. This new video card was 300 dollars. You don't need to spend anything close to 2 grand every five years to keep playing.

 

[Ohdang]

For what it's worth, my i5 with its 8gb ram and 560ti ran Dying Light flawlessly with better graphics than my PS4. I could have squeezed more life out of her if I didn't get an itch to build that I needed to scratch.

 

[TyGuy]

Where are you getting this number from? I just built one that will last far longer than 5 years for a tad over $700 after $100 in rebates, and that's including dual monitors.

I then sold my 5 year old i5 system I built for roughly the same price on Craigslist for $500 to some guy who didn't know how to build his own. I'll probably repeat the cycle in 5 years.

PC gaming used to be cost prohibitive with bad developer support but that has changed.

X is going with the top of the line or nothing strategy. Yeah, you can spend that much if you like, but it isn't necessary or worth the extra cost.

A lot of people build with price/performance. Shoot, a lot of people buy low end and try and make it work.

Also a 560ti was never top shelf. So clearly you actually buy mid range cards and aren't really with the all or nothing mentality.

580 was top shelf of that gen, then 570 (best price/performance) then the 560 ti; at least if you were in nvidia camp.

My old 480 is comparable to a 570 for what it's worth.

 

[Man Called X]

X is going with the top of the line or nothing strategy. Yeah, you can spend that much if you like, but it isn't necessary or worth the extra cost.

A lot of people build with price/performance. Shoot, a lot of people buy low end and try and make it work.

Also a 560ti was never top shelf. So clearly you actually buy mid range cards and aren't really with the all or nothing mentality.

580 was top shelf of that gen, then 570 (best price/performance) then the 560 ti; at least if you were in nvidia camp.

My old 480 is comparable to a 570 for what it's worth.

Yes, I understand my card was a midrange card, but the step between the 560 Ti OC'd edition was only marginally worse than a 570 and wasn't worth the extra $50. I've also been running it for 4 years.

 

[TyGuy]

Yes, I understand my card was a midrange card, but the step between the 560 Ti OC'd edition was only marginally worse than a 570 and wasn't worth the extra $50. I've also been running it for 4 years.

Yeah, smart choice, but that destroys your all or nothing argument.

Honestly, pyro made the best argument. There is no mlb the show on PC unfortunately, and apparently it is super important to him.

 

[Man Called X]

Yeah, smart choice, but that destroys your all or nothing argument.

Honestly, pyro made the best argument. There is no mlb the show on PC unfortunately, and apparently it is super important to him.

I play on console mostly, and only use my PC for a few games. So doesn't destroy my all or nothing argument.

Games I did play on PC ran fine at high to ultra settings at 60fps.

 

[TyGuy]

I play on console mostly, and only use my PC for a few games. So doesn't destroy my all or nothing argument.

Games I did play on PC ran fine at high to ultra settings at 60fps.

You said that you need to spend 2 grand every five years and it's not worth playing unless it is 60 fps ultra.

 

[Man Called X]

You said that you need to spend 2 grand every five years and it's not worth playing unless it is 60 fps ultra.

Because those titles end up being played on my CONSOLES that I prefer to purchase.

PC is used for MMO's like WoW and other various small ones, and RTS like Command & Conquer/Starcraft

The games I do play on PC aren't graphically intensive.

Now if I didn't buy consoles, then you might have a point.

But as it stands, I buy consoles to play the majority of titles, because I can't afford to spend 2 grand every 5 years to get my ultra settings on every release.

Make more sense?

 

[TyGuy]

Because those titles end up being played on my CONSOLES that I prefer to purchase.

PC is used for MMO's like WoW and other various small ones, and RTS like Command & Conquer/Starcraft

The games I do play on PC aren't graphically intensive.

Now if I didn't buy consoles, then you might have a point.

But as it stands, I buy consoles to play the majority of titles, because I can't afford to spend 2 grand every 5 years to get my ultra settings on every release.

Make more sense?

But these console games aren't running at max settings 60fps. Again, you don't need to spend 2 grand to achieve this.

I can run your 60fps ultra and I haven't spent anything near 4 grand in the last 6 years.

 

[Man Called X]

But these console games aren't running at max settings 60fps. Again, you don't need to spend 2 grand to achieve this.

I can run your 60fps ultra and I haven't spent anything near 4 grand in the last 6 years.

I'm willing to make the sacrifice to play it on a console. Because in the long run, I'm going to get 8-10 years out of a console, sometimes longer. At least I'm seeing it the same way everyone else on a console is seeing it. So equal gaming experience with the majority + longer hardware life + lower cost> better graphic experience with the minority + initial investment cost.

So you build a bargain gaming rig to run equivalent of what the consoles run. Figure what, $500-600? In 5 years, I'm still getting game development on my console without having to upgrade it. In 5 years, I will once again need another bargain bin at $500 to continue gaming at a comparable experience.

 

[Pyro]

But these console games aren't running at max settings 60fps.

See, here's the thing; I don't care. When I get a console game, I know that, 100%, unless there is some massive gamebreaking bug, my console can run that game. No testing is needed. No checking system requirement lists. I buy COD for the XBOX One, it will 100% run with no issues.

I buy it for the PC and suddenly I need to check system requirements, and if even one doesn't meet the minimum, I'm out extra $ just to get it to run one game.

And finally, console games run the best they can. If that's 1080p 60fps, great. If it's 30fps, great. If it's 980p or whatever, great. If I get it on the PC, I want it to run exactly the same way it would on the console; at the max resolution/settings possible. And then if you want that, you're out thousands of $.

 

[Ohdang]

I'm willing to make the sacrifice to play it on a console. Because in the long run, I'm going to get 8-10 years out of a console, sometimes longer. At least I'm seeing it the same way everyone else on a console is seeing it. So equal gaming experience with the majority + longer hardware life + lower cost> better graphic experience with the minority + initial investment cost.

So you build a bargain gaming rig to run equivalent of what the consoles run. Figure what, $500-600? In 5 years, I'm still getting game development on my console without having to upgrade it. In 5 years, I will once again need another bargain bin at $500 to continue gaming at a comparable experience.

Are you buying Alienware's? I'm having a hard time figuring out where you're getting your prices from. My PC I just built for ~$700 runs everything I've thrown at it at 60 fps on Ultra, and I spent $100 extra to have a second monitor because I use it for work and school also and its nice to have the extra screen space. That wasn't an expense needed for gaming. I didn't have to spend anything near the prices you're throwing out.

My PC will be "bargain bin" in 5 to 10 years, but it certainly isn't now. There won't be a console on par with it until the PS6, and that may be being generous. I have an R9 290X, FX8350, 500gb SSD, 16gb ram (2400), a 750w power supply, and some extras I didn't need but wanted like a nice case and a Razer mouse and keyboard. I'm still using a wired 360 controller for games I'd rather play with a controller than a mouse. And on top of being far superior for gaming, its also running Kodi and serves as my HTPC. The PS4 and Xbox One can be used as media centers, but they are nowhere near as good at it.

I bought my PS4 for $400, and I've bought 12 games. Not all of them were $59.99 but if we even said half were, which is less than the real number, that's $760 I've spent on PS4 gaming. I bought a second controller and a charge station so its actually higher, but those were optional so I won't count them. I've paid exactly $0 on PC games so I've already outspent my PS4 budget and that's not including future games I haven't bought yet for PS4, while my PC game budget will never go above $0 because I'm fine with being immoral.

I do have a Wii U and a PS4 because they both offer something my PC doesn't, being a unique Nintendo experience and online play with my friends for the PS4, but if I only could have 1 its the PC hands down. Far better performance, far better value. Not even close.

And finally, console games run the best they can. If that's 1080p 60fps, great. If it's 30fps, great. If it's 980p or whatever, great. If I get it on the PC, I want it to run exactly the same way it would on the console; at the max resolution/settings possible. And then if you want that, you're out thousands of $.

This is a falsehood I wish people would stop spreading. This couldn't be further from the truth, and hasn't been true in a decade. The PC that was 5 years old that I just sold could have been put together today for less than the price of a PS4/X1 and run games nearly twice as well. Stop it.