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I want Ronnie Brewer off that team. He's the perfect guy to get for what this team needs. Very long, very athletic, very efficient, young ect. ect. If we were parting with Hickson in the deal, I'd want Brewer coming back so we have something for the future, since Boozer is probably going to Miami this summer.
 
I want Ronnie Brewer off that team. He's the perfect guy to get for what this team needs. Very long, very athletic, very efficient, young ect. ect. If we were parting with Hickson in the deal, I'd want Brewer coming back so we have something for the future, since Boozer is probably going to Miami this summer.
I think you mixed up Boozer with Bosh...
 
Boozer is probably the best 4 available. It's common knowledge that not in Utah's plans next year, so they are willing to move him for the right deal. Since he's an expiring, they aren't going to trade him for an expiring deal - they want some talent if they are going to give him up.

I think we could get Boozer in the right 3 team deal. We need a team looking for salary dump and someone willing to take on a bad contract and willing to give up an attractive asset to Utah. We take Boozer + bad contract, they take our salary relief, Utah gets attractive asset and maybe a little salary relief to get under the cap.

Assuming we verify first that Boozer is willing to sign an extension with us, this is the deal I'd go for over Jamison or Murphy.
 
Boozer is probably the best 4 available. It's common knowledge that not in Utah's plans next year, so they are willing to move him for the right deal. Since he's an expiring, they aren't going to trade him for an expiring deal - they want some talent if they are going to give him up.

I think we could get Boozer in the right 3 team deal. We need a team looking for salary dump and someone willing to take on a bad contract and willing to give up an attractive asset to Utah. We take Boozer + bad contract, they take our salary relief, Utah gets attractive asset and maybe a little salary relief to get under the cap.

Assuming we verify first that Boozer is willing to sign an extension with us, this is the deal I'd go for over Jamison or Murphy.

I always felt Boozer was over rated. He is about as bad as any pf in the league at D. He is undersized and not athletic. Yes he is good offensively, but last time i check defense wins championships. Also, he cant be trusted to resign here so there is no need to give up alot to get him and my guess because of that he just ends up walking and not getting traded this season.

If we want a pf from Utah, think AK47 not Boozer. He is available for what we have to offer. Not saying AK47 is the best option, just saying he is a million times more realistic for tons of reasons.
 
I believe the possibility of Boozer coming here is a lot higher than most people would suspect.

Always think about what Windy wrote in June....

"Yes, you read that correctly. Boozer and James still have a good relationship and the former Cav has been right about one thing, he has matured into a star. He was sitting in front row seats at a Cavs-Magic game, seats that Dan Gilbert sat in the game before, so you be the judge on that. A strong low post scorer and top-shelf rebounder, he would fit in nicely. Getting him would take a sign-and-trade, and it would be hard to pull off. That and thousands of fans would freak out ... until his first 20-point, 15-rebound game. Remember there is a different owner and Duke-produced GM in town now."

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/06/checking_out_the_free_agents_m.html
 
I always felt Boozer was over rated. He is about as bad as any pf in the league at D. He is undersized and not athletic. Yes he is good offensively, but last time i check defense wins championships. Also, he cant be trusted to resign here so there is no need to give up alot to get him and my guess because of that he just ends up walking and not getting traded this season.

If we want a pf from Utah, think AK47 not Boozer. He is available for what we have to offer. Not saying AK47 is the best option, just saying he is a million times more realistic for tons of reasons.

Bold sounds a lot like Atawn Jamison. The difference is that Boozer is younger, a better rebounder, and doesn't already have a monster contract. Both would have there history of injuries coming into Cleveland, neither are huge or good at defense.

The other difference of course is that 1) It'd either cost more or we'd have to take AK for the trade to work AND 2) Boozer doesn't have a great history with Cleveland fans. Then again, if he returns, wins a championship, and re-signs with us long term, I'm sure the rest will be water under the bridge.

I don't see us landing him, but you can't really be against the idea if something like that pops up with how good a player he is. For now, we can focus on the realistic possibilities and continue to hate the guy.
 
Always think about what Windy wrote in June....

"Yes, you read that correctly. Boozer and James still have a good relationship and the former Cav has been right about one thing, he has matured into a star. He was sitting in front row seats at a Cavs-Magic game, seats that Dan Gilbert sat in the game before, so you be the judge on that. A strong low post scorer and top-shelf rebounder, he would fit in nicely. Getting him would take a sign-and-trade, and it would be hard to pull off. That and thousands of fans would freak out ... until his first 20-point, 15-rebound game. Remember there is a different owner and Duke-produced GM in town now."

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2009/06/checking_out_the_free_agents_m.html

Yeah, and he was probably rooting for the Magic since he and Dwight Howard are BFF's. Wouldn't THAT just some the guy up: Gilbert gives him the tickets and in return Boozer roots for the other team.

Hopefully Gilbert charged him a gazillion dollars and stuck gum on the seat....
 
I want Ronnie Brewer off that team. He's the perfect guy to get for what this team needs. Very long, very athletic, very efficient, young ect. ect. If we were parting with Hickson in the deal, I'd want Brewer coming back so we have something for the future, since Boozer is probably going to Miami this summer.


I always felt Boozer was over rated. He is about as bad as any pf in the league at D. He is undersized and not athletic. Yes he is good offensively, but last time i check defense wins championships. Also, he cant be trusted to resign here so there is no need to give up alot to get him and my guess because of that he just ends up walking and not getting traded this season.

If we want a pf from Utah, think AK47 not Boozer. He is available for what we have to offer. Not saying AK47 is the best option, just saying he is a million times more realistic for tons of reasons.

Ronnie Brewer, you say? AK? Well then let me give you this (It's a realgm trade, so it was more addressed what else should be added from Utah):

Utah trades: AK, Brewer
Utah gets: Z (buyout), Moon, Karl

Cleveland trades: Z (buyout), Moon, Karl
Cleveland gets: AK, Brewer

The deal saves the Jazz $3,891,667.00 off the bat (plus that money in lux tax), but here's the thing, once Z is bought out, the money put on the salary cap is the buyout amount (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q60). This is how the Jazz can get to the $4,446,757 needed for the big savings. http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=971071

I understand many of the posters of other teams don't like to imagine a buy-out of Z, but I obviously it would be beneficial for this trade.

As a refresher- here's something I wrote previously about it:
"Well in any trade that has Z would also include Cash to buy him out. It would also probably happen near or at the trade deadline. That's around 50 games into the season. I'm not certain how paying players works, but if it was a straight payment per game type, 50 games in would be 61% into the season. 61% of Z contract is about 7.04 mil. Let's say the Cavs include 3 mil to buy him out. He is now at 10 mil. Then he signs back for the vet min, ($1,306,455 - 77% of that- calculating in the amount of time he would have to wait) he would get about $300,00 more. A total of 10.3 mil. That's a little short of his full contract, but I don't think it would be a big deal to Z. If it was, we could sign him for the BAE or sign him for a contract next year and just have him not show up (if he were to retire)."

I think that this would be more than enough to get Utah to do the deal. I've only mentioned the savings this year, but AK is on for another year, and they would get even more savings then.

I could see the Cavs asking for more value, since, as I said before, AK is on the books for $17,823,000 next year. Brewer doesn't really fit the starting lineup, but he would be a great wing off the bench for the Cavs. Having a 6-man guard/SF rotation of Mo/AP/Lebron and then Boobie/Delonte/Brewer is pretty impressive to me. AK isn't as good as Boozer, but he plays better defense, has some range, and would fit in nicely with our team.

Let's say Z accepts a buyout to get them under the lux tax. This deal saves them 13.5 mil this year. Next year, they don't have AK or Brewer's salaries, but have Moon's. That's a difference of roughly $18 mil, for a total of 31.5 million dollars saved.

What is that worth to the Jazz/ Jazz fans? Is that worth the NY pick (probably 7-10 range)? I could see Jazz fans balking at that, though the organization might not. What about if Hickson went to the Jazz and the pick came back? What about Koufos (without JJ)?

I think this is a deal both sides could work with, but the value might need to be tweaked a little to get it to work.

What do you guys think?
 
I would love to get Koufos on the Cavs. He is a young and versatile prospect at the 5. The only problem is that he doesn't like to bang in the post.

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Koufos is a 7-footer with a decent-sized frame that could fill out further as his body matures, but his game doesn't match his body type. He has a reputation as a soft player who prefers hanging out on the perimeter to playing physical, and while he scored mostly in the paint as a rookie, he didn't show much taste for contact.

Offensively, he demonstrated a nice touch on short lefty hooks, and as mentioned above, seems to have an above-average shooting stroke for a player of his size. On the negative side, his rebounding numbers were average and his low turnover rate as a rookie may not hold up in future seasons. Defensively, he needs to get tougher and learn NBA rotations, but he blocked more than two shots per 40 minutes and had an even better rate in the D-League.

Not to mention, he is a local product (Glenoak, OSU).
 
If we're able to keep JJ and get Koufos, we would have a pretty good set of bigs for the future with those two. Not to mention, we'd still have some defense with AV and Powe.
 
I'm very iffy towards it. AK47 isn't exactly the standard stretch 4 we've all been talking about. Adding JJ for the NY pick would make it more appealing but even then, I dunno. If the organization truly feels they don't need to win a ring this year to keep LeBron, I could see them going for it if JJ and the NY pick are added. The Knicks pick will likely be in the 5-10 range, and AK47 has a huge expiring that we could then use next year. Not sure Utah would want to move the NY pick though...
 
trotting out a defensive five of West-Moon-AK47-LBJ-Andy for the end of games would be pretty badass.

As for Boozer... not a bad choice but not my first choice either (though I like him better than Jamison).
 
trotting out a defensive five of West-Moon-AK47-LBJ-Andy for the end of games would be pretty badass.

As for Boozer... not a bad choice but not my first choice either (though I like him better than Jamison).

Boozer would be my ultimate 1st choice of the more realistic PFs (does not include Bosh or Stoudemire)

He's a true 20/10 guy, and he's shooting 54% on the year (for a guy who shoots jumpers often this is spectacular) - 11th in the league in efficiency rating to boot. Is he great defensively? No....but he's no slouch. And as far as the whole Boozer/Gund fiasco....I could care less.

However, I think it's a long shot for him to land here.....but it's not out of the question.
 
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Realistically what would it take to get Boozer and would he resign with the Cavs?...While I realize the Jazz would probably want some talent in return, Boozer will become a free agent so I anot sure teams are going to overpay for him. I don't want to give up any talent for a guy who won't resign with the team.
 
Realistically what would it take to get Boozer and would he resign with the Cavs?...While I realize the Jazz would probably want some talent in return, Boozer will become a free agent so I anot sure teams are going to overpay for him. I don't want to give up any talent for a guy who won't resign with the team.

I would assume that Utah wouldn't just let Boozer walk after this year....so they'll be playing with a bunch of different trade scenarios. IMO, it would take another team to get involved if Boozer would end up in Cleveland. JJ, Boobie, and West are the only assets we have other than expiring contracts. I would assume that Utah wouldn't be extremely interested in JJ, since they are vesting their $ into Milsap.

I would also assume that Utah is definitely interested in expiring contracts.....however, they could do something like dumping AK47 or another hefty contract to save money that way.

I understand your concern about giving up talent for a guy who might not re-sign with us, but he may very well put us over the top and give us a championship this year. In that case, I see no way how we wouldn't come to terms with Boozer (I know, you don't have to say it).

I can't wait for the deadline.
 

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