Cavaliers Offseason Thread

[Danny Arison]

AKA TT's getting 90 mil because he's LeBron's boy.

Fucking annoying, I don't want him with no trade value to be a 6th man come on.

 

[RDriesen]

I'd stop talk and tell him to go see what he can get and come back to us. I wouldn't even offer him $10 million per year. Good at what he does, but not even close to being worth the kind of money he is going to get.

 

[flop]

I hope this 90 million for Thompson talk I'm reading is complete bullshit

 

[supermario21]

This FO should be fired if they'd rather have Tristan than Moz. I don't even know if LeBron would. LeBron loves having a true, talented 2 way 7'1'' guy to play with.

 

[MirORich]

Fucking annoying, I don't want him with no trade value to be a 6th man come on.

A 15-16 million contract for TT has trade value as early as next year. The following year, even more so.

You need to adjust your worldview to a salary cap that is rising 40+ million dollars in just two years

 

[MirORich]

This FO should be fired if they'd rather have Tristan than Moz. I don't even know if LeBron would. LeBron loves having a true, talented 2 way 7'1'' guy to play with.

Were you under the impression we have to make a choice between the two?

Moz is under contract this year and will get re-signed next year.

 

[Danny Arison]

A 15-16 million contract for TT has trade value as early as next year. The following year, even more so.

You need to adjust your worldview to a salary cap that is rising 40+ million dollars in just two years

Good way to rationlize it, he wants more than 16m a year and still even with the new cap it's too much.

 

[supermario21]

Were you under the impression we have to make a choice between the two?

Moz is under contract this year and will get re-signed next year.

I want both. Hopefully they don't let Moz walk. I don't think they'd cut costs with this core to be honest.

 

[MirORich]

People need to see and fully understand this before making comments on contract value.

NBA Salary Cap by year
2006: 53.1 million
2007: 55.6 million
2008: 58.6 million
2009: 57.7 million
2010: 58 million
2011: 58 million
2012: 58 million
2013: 58.7 million
2014: 63 million
2015: 69 million
2016: 89 million
2017: 108 million

If you can not look at those numbers and understand why the way we view contract value being given out this summer is intuited and obsolete, than I do not know what to tell you. Our notion of what a player is worth is based on a salary cap that raised only 4.4 million total between 2008-2013.

Especially in a climate when the top stars(LeBron, Durant, etc) are locked in to the same set % of the cap that anyone in there experience bracket can potentially ear, the NBA "middle class" is going to make a killing on this unprecedented cap rise.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Good way to rationlize it, he wants more than 16m a year and still even with the new cap it's too much.

The only way it is too much is if you can't trade him.

You telling me there's no team out there that would take a 24 year old PF/C who just averaged 10 and 11 for 20 post season games? At what will be between 12-15% of the cap?

From a cap percentage perspective, once we go to caps in the 90-110 million dollar range, TT will have a very average salary for a young big man.

 

[Lazor]

Were you under the impression we have to make a choice between the two?

Moz is under contract this year and will get re-signed next year.

Same with TT. We picked up his QO and if he does happen to get offered anything we match.

 

[supermario21]

View: https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/616677396217995264

 

[cavsfever]

TT will most likely be starting after this upcoming season and bye-bye Moz. I'm sure he'll get 15+ after playing a whole year with LeBron and averaging a double double.

We need Moz, more than TT when it comes down to it. Don't people remember what our defense looked like before Moz came aboard? TT is a luxury but with the defensive issues that KLove and Kyrie have without a rim protector to back them up, Moz is more like a necessity.

 

[RDriesen]

People need to see and fully understand this before making comments on contract value.

2006: 53.1 million
2007: 55.6 million
2008: 58.6 million
2009: 57.7 million
2010: 58 million
2011: 58 million
2012: 58 million
2013: 58.7 million
2014: 63 million
2015: 69 million
2016: 89 million
2017: 108 million

If you can not look at those numbers and understand why the way we view contract value being given out this summer is intuited and obsolete, than I do not know what to tell you. Our notion of what a player is worth is based on a salary cap that raised only 4.4 million total between 2008-2013.

Especially in a climate when the top stars(LeBron, Durant, etc) are locked in to the same set % of the cap that anyone in there experience bracket can potentially ear, the NBA "middle class" is going to make a killing on this unprecedented cap rise.

Still doesn't change the fact TT isn't worth close to what he is asking for.

 

[cavsfever]

The only way it is too much is if you can't trade him.

You telling me there's no team out there that would take a 24 year old PF/C who just averaged 10 and 11 for 20 post season games? At what will be between 12-15% of the cap?

From a cap percentage perspective, once we go to caps in the 90-110 million dollar range, TT will have a very average salary for a young big man.

$18 million/year is 17% of the NEW ($108 million) cap, $16 million/year is 15% of the new cap. A team with 3 max players cannot afford to pay their 6th man almost one fifth of their total payroll.

Not to mention it throws the salary rankings out of whack across the whole roster. If TT gets $18 million do you think Kyrie is going to be satisfied earning $19 million? He would ask to renegotiate I would think.