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Cavs 2015-2016 Team Salary and Trade Assets

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Good post, but your math is off, it's even worse. If they're $35M over the cap, their tax would be $108,750,000. If they were a repeater, the tax would be $143,750,000.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21

Since the Cavs are in the tax now, they're going to have to pray for big TV contracts and a huge redesign of the CBA, otherwise, this party could end quickly.


Thanks for catching that, I did the numbers right, just forgot to add the $23.75 million for the final $5 million of that.

We know Dan is not afraid to pony up some money, but $110 million and $145 million will be tough for even him to swallow.

Not turning this into a Love/Wiggins post, but a little something to chew on. Had we kept Wiggins, his salary would be $6 million in 2016-17, $22 million LESS than what Love's will be. The tax would be ~$30 million. $78 million less than what it will be with Love. Love's cost to Gilbert will be $100 million in 2016-2017 alone.
 
And this is where trading off assets to clear the books is going to bite them. They can't use exceptions without being hard capped, they can't sign free agents, they're essentially at the cap with three players.

They have no choice but to resign TT, JR and Mozgov to whatever it takes, since they have their Bird rights, otherwise they have no ability to replace them. The extra draft picks are gone.

Again, they have to be praying that the new CBA raises the player's percentage of BRI, that and the new TV contracts are the only things that give them a chance in h*ll of improving the roster in the next few years.
 
And this is where trading off assets to clear the books is going to bite them. They can't use exceptions without being hard capped, they can't sign free agents, they're essentially at the cap with three players.

They have no choice but to resign TT, JR and Mozgov to whatever it takes, since they have their Bird rights, otherwise they have no ability to replace them. The extra draft picks are gone.

Again, they have to be praying that the new CBA raises the player's percentage of BRI, that and the new TV contracts are the only things that give them a chance in h*ll of improving the roster in the next few years.

The new TV contracts will bring in a lot more revenue for Dan. Even if he spends all of the revenue on salaries, he will still have to spend $50-100 million out of pocket (other employee salaries, luxury tax). I think we'll see a sharp increase in ticket prices to help offset his future costs.
 
is there any chance love doesn't get a max deal after going years of not even making the playoffs in minnesota? not saying he doesn't deserve one but what can you do with $28M that you cant do with $18M? why not take less money to enable the team to get better players around you and win games.

same thing with Lebron, he's said he wants to retire as a Cav, is it possible he signed a short contract so that he could take less money instead of more money in a few years? Lebron is making so much money with endorsements and what not why not take less money to benefit the team? Lebron seems pretty smart, great players (ex. jordan, duncan, brady) have done this in the past and it obviously benefits the team.

but maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part
 
is there any chance love doesn't get a max deal after going years of not even making the playoffs in minnesota? not saying he doesn't deserve one but what can you do with $28M that you cant do with $18M? why not take less money to enable the team to get better players around you and win games.

same thing with Lebron, he's said he wants to retire as a Cav, is it possible he signed a short contract so that he could take less money instead of more money in a few years? Lebron is making so much money with endorsements and what not why not take less money to benefit the team? Lebron seems pretty smart, great players (ex. jordan, duncan, brady) have done this in the past and it obviously benefits the team.

but maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part


Not a chance either of them take anything less than a max. Jordan never took less money. He was paid something like $35 million per year, his last 3 seasons... Adjusted for inflation, that's close to $55 million in today's money.
 
Not a chance either of them take anything less than a max. Jordan never took less money. He was paid something like $35 million per year, his last 3 seasons... Adjusted for inflation, that's close to $55 million in today's money.

yeah in one of the other threads people already talked to me about salary information, jordan also won chicago 4 championships by the time he made $35M. lebron has given cleveland zero
 
yeah in one of the other threads people already talked to me about salary information, jordan also won chicago 4 championships by the time he made $35M. lebron has given cleveland zero

Jordan never voluntarily took less money though, he got locked into a long contract before NBA salaries started skyrocketing.
 
I wonder if Love is really a max player. If anyone is going to take less than the max it should be him.

But man, these luxury tax penalties are brutal. The players association really gave away the store in the last round of negotiations. Let's hope some changes come -- I'm sure Gilbert at least will totally change his tune fro what it was last time.
 
All this luxury tax talk is kind of moot seeing as there is going to be a lockout in 2017 that will probably change all the current rules.
 
I wonder if Love is really a max player. If anyone is going to take less than the max it should be him.

Yes, he is. Someone will give it to him if it's not us--Golden State, for example. They have Thompson, Bogut, and Curry all locked up through 2016-2017 with cap space to spare.

Luckily, getting Kevin through trade rather than free agency also gave us his Bird Rights.
 
Gilbert was super ruthless because he couldn't let Miami restock. The game has changed and he probably has given the keys to lebron in exchange for a chance at some glory. My guess is that this helped factor into lebron being given the union role.
 
This is a pretty brutal situation, and I am sure LeBron is aware of it. They can't spend $30M on their center position. I have no idea what the solution will be but two of TT, TMo and Andy will gone by 2016, I'd guess. Whiteside will be a UFA in '16 would he fit? There's a sign & trade or something in their future.

I'd be also surprised if Smith comes back for much more than he's making now. I am sure he can get more somewhere but would bet the Cavs hard ball him expecting him to take it to stay w/LeBron. He's the new Mike Miller. Shumpert's more D than 3 so I wonder what he's worth, and if they can save a couple mill there. They'll have to hold the line somewhere and hope to fill with the James Posey and PJ Browns of the world, imo
 
This is a pretty brutal situation, and I am sure LeBron is aware of it. They can't spend $30M on their center position. I have no idea what the solution will be but two of TT, TMo and Andy will gone by 2016, I'd guess.
At the end of the day, it is all about Gilbert's pockets, is it not? If he's willing to pay the luxury tax (and all signs and history say he will), what is the issue?
 
At the end of the day, it is all about Gilbert's pockets, is it not? If he's willing to pay the luxury tax (and all signs and history say he will), what is the issue?

while I would say there always comes a Mike Miller situation, my suspicion is as someone mentioned, we'll hit a lockout before Gilbert has to make any really hard decisions
 
while I would say there always comes a Mike Miller situation, my suspicion is as someone mentioned, we'll hit a lockout before Gilbert has to make any really hard decisions
To that, I would say that Gilbert paid more luxury tax in the old CBA than Arison paid in the new...but I hear what you are saying. The lockout may actually do good for us, but who really knows.

I don't think the Cavs accumulated all the assets they did in order to make the trades they did, just to let those guys walk a year later. They seem to be exhausting all options to make the team as strong as possible (especially acquiring a bum like Haywood with a unique contract). I don't think those moves are made without a) Gilbert's approval and b) Gilbert's assurances of spending.

Arison could have kept Mike Miller. OKC could have kept James Harden. At the end of the day, it is about the willingness of the owner to spend. And thankfully, we have an owner who has a history of spending and certainly seems to intend to spend more in the future.
 
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