Cavs 2015-2016 Team Salary and Trade Assets

[LeBro]

A good explanation of Cavs future salaries can be found at:

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/06/cleveland-cavaliers-and-future-salaries-wfny-faqs/

Very helpful article, thanks for posting.

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Time to start thinking about how stacked we will BE next year - if we are in fact stacked. The above article was very helpful. I don't know if I would call the Cavs deep though - especially if Varejao never comes back 100%.

Looks like we have a bench of Delly, Shump, Miller, Tristan, Andy, Harris, late first-rounder. Not that impressive.

We lose Haywood, Perk, Marion, James Jones? And replace them with... Andy and a late first-rounder? Maybe?

Next year, we will be dead in the water AGAIN when our starters go down. And our starters WILL go down. I suppose we could play 2 of the Big 3 as often as possible, but Kyrie, Love, and Andy always miss time, no matter what.

 

[thunder_down_under]

have to somewhat agree

Time to start thinking about how stacked we will BE next year - if we are in fact stacked. The above article was very helpful. I don't know if I would call the Cavs deep though - especially if Varejao never comes back 100%.

Looks like we have a bench of Delly, Shump, Miller, Tristan, Andy, Harris, late first-rounder. Not that impressive.

We lose Haywood, Perk, Marion, James Jones? And replace them with... Andy and a late first-rounder? Maybe?

Next year, we will be dead in the water AGAIN when our starters go down. And our starters WILL go down. I suppose we could play 2 of the Big 3 as often as possible, but Kyrie, Love, and Andy always miss time, no matter what.

Have to somewhat agree...the Andy extension is going to haunt us. My question is do we play a bit of "money ball" and question whether we are better off with Love at the max, or we trade him and pick up two lesser players for the same money...is that even possible?

 

[David.]

have to somewhat agree


Have to somewhat agree...the Andy extension is going to haunt us. My question is do we play a bit of "money ball" and question whether we are better off with Love at the max, or we trade him and pick up two lesser players for the same money...is that even possible?

baseball is just dudes swinging at a ball. every single on of them. its literally the only thing you have to be good at.. you have to be verstatile as shit in the nba.

basketball doesnt work the same way because theres only 5 slots. so while we can minimize salary extensively by getting a guy who can provide the rebounding love does, a guy who provides spacing and a big who provides acceptable defense, you cant put them all on the floor at the same time and those 3 individual players would get picked apart in the two areas in which they dont contribute in a matchup based arena like the playoffs, and this kills the team.

bb is a game of complete players and i hope we make that a focal point at all times.

 

[thunder_down_under]

baseball is just dudes swinging at a ball. every single on of them. its literally the only thing you have to be good at.. you have to be verstatile as shit in the nba.

basketball doesnt work the same way because theres only 5 slots. so while we can minimize salary extensively by getting a guy who can provide the rebounding love does, a guy who provides spacing and a big who provides acceptable defense, you cant put them all on the floor at the same time and those 3 individual players would get picked apart in the two areas in which they dont contribute in a matchup based arena like the playoffs, and this kills the team.

bb is a game of complete players and i hope we make that a focal point at all times.

Yes...and no...surely this series has shown that over reliance on a couple of key players (regardless of how good they are) is a risky strategy. And the cost of having all those "champions" is that there is not enough money left to have any sort of bench. It is great whilst the high quality players are healthy, but when they are not you have a bunch of passable players trying to pick up the slack. The Spurs have shown that a complete team is better than having a team full of champions...My point is, are we better to pay Love $17 mill or are we better at spending the same money on a mood (but not great 4) and a useful PG...

BTW: I'll forgive your dis-respect to baseball players

 

[Kyrieville]

Time to start thinking about how stacked we will BE next year - if we are in fact stacked. The above article was very helpful. I don't know if I would call the Cavs deep though - especially if Varejao never comes back 100%.

Looks like we have a bench of Delly, Shump, Miller, Tristan, Andy, Harris, late first-rounder. Not that impressive.

We lose Haywood, Perk, Marion, James Jones? And replace them with... Andy and a late first-rounder? Maybe?

Next year, we will be dead in the water AGAIN when our starters go down. And our starters WILL go down. I suppose we could play 2 of the Big 3 as often as possible, but Kyrie, Love, and Andy always miss time, no matter what.

I think James Jones will be back.

 

[Tressel33]

We know D Wade is coming next year. So he will really help the cause

 

[MirORich]

Our bench is currently James Jones, JR, and the occasional minutes from Mike Miller.

A bench of Delly, JR, Tristan, Andy, James Jones, our 1st round pick and likely a player we acquire with either the taxpayer MLE or the Haywood contract is far from unimpressive.

We can not view next year through the filter of this series when we are playing this series without Kyrie, Love, and Andy + player(s) we will add in the offseason + year two of the coaching staff and players being together.

 

[T C]

Number 1 need? Backup SF or let James sit until the real start of the season begins. (After the All-star break)

 

[KilgoreTrout]

Really too bad that Miller, Marion, and Perk were already undead by the time they got to us. And now it looks like hanging on to the Haywood contract was a waste. If we had something - anything - more useful at, at the end of the bench, this would have been a different series. Add Captain America to that and one-third of our active roster was useless as teats on a boar-hog. I pray that we don't miss that badly this offseason.

 

[JFT]

Will Dan pay up?

How the Cavaliers’ run can lead to a record $200M payroll
http://nypost.com/2015/06/12/how-the-cavaliers-run-can-lead-to-a-record-200m-payroll/

 

[CavsForLife]

my question is how much money (if any) will we have to sign players from other teams?

Like if we wanted to go after a Gerald Green or a Norris Cole, what kind of money will we have if we have LeBron, Love, Kyrie, Andy (at his current value, although i think we restructure), TT, shump, Moz, JR, Joe Harris and the number 24 on the books?

 

[2 For The Brew]

I would sign Love to a max deal this summer. Not sure if I would sign him in the next CBA for 40 million per year... Even with the new rules that doesn't seem right and should be for the LeBron's, Durant, Shaq and MJ's of the world (you know like the year-in year-out MVP candidates that carry a franchise... )

If there was total free agency with no limits on salaries and no cap then LeBron could demand $100,000,000 per year and the Knicks would probably pay it. Surely he could command north of $60MM.

At $40MM under the new deal he would be underpaid. So while I agree with your point in theory that "it doesn't seem right", in practice the cap on max salary and total team means more players get "the max" than just the very top level.

The Knicks and Lakers are crappy teams with enormous markets. They will throw tons of money at players when the new CBA is done.

I suspect Gilbert will live for 2015-16 and not worry too much about the repeater and luxury taxes, hoping they will be adjusted. However, it's very easy for all of us to spend tens of millions of his money. We can't ever take for granted that he will suffer enormous losses going forward. In fact we've been very lucky to have him as an owner - he personally ate the Baron Davis contract and that got us Kyrie.

 

[MirORich]

my question is how much money (if any) will we have to sign players from other teams?

Like if we wanted to go after a Gerald Green or a Norris Cole, what kind of money will we have if we have LeBron, Love, Kyrie, Andy (at his current value, although i think we restructure), TT, shump, Moz, JR, Joe Harris and the number 24 on the books?

We have two options for offers to Free Agents from other teams.

1. The Taxpayer MLE. This is a deal we can offer starting out at about 3 million per year with annual raises of up to 4.5 percent. We can only use that exception once this offseason. So for example, we could offer Gerald Green, or Danny Green, or Mo Williams a deal for the tax payer MLE for 3 years at about 10 million or 4 years at about 13.5-14 million.

2, The vet minimum. We can make as many vet minimum offers as we want provided it fits into the context of having no more than 15 roster spots. The vet minimum is what we used to sign Shawn Marion last year. It actually varies based on how many years the player has been in the NBA but counts as about 1 million against the cap and as contract value if we eventually used a player signed for it in a trade. So for example, last year Marion signed for a vet minimum of about 1.6 million( as a player with over 10 years in the NBA) but for salary cap and trade purposes, the deal was valued/accounted for at around $980,000

Hope that helps and someone please correct me if I anything is wrong in there.

 

[Douglar]

I updated the salary sheet and the trade assets list.