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Cavs looking at S&T for Johnson, Bosh

Discussion in 'Trades, Free Agency, & the Draft' started by Smooth, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Smooth

    Smooth Vatreni

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    Offseason Blueprint: Sign-and-traders
    If their free agents decide to leave, these three teams need to get something in return
    By Ric Bucher
    ESPN The Magazine


    ESPN Insider is breaking down what every team in the league could -- and should -- do during the most anticipated offseason in NBA history. Ric Bucher and Chris Broussard have separated the league into six groups based on everything from cap room to organizational philosophy. Next: the sign-and-traders -- the Toronto Raptors, Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns.

    Toronto Raptors

    Objective: Add size, toughness and shot blocking to frontcourt.

    Assets: Free agent Chris Bosh for sign-and-trade deal or $4 million in cap space if Bosh walks; No. 13 draft pick.

    The Plan: Having Bosh simply sign elsewhere is the worst scenario because they aren't going to replace his talent with $4 million in cap space. The Raptors insist there remains a chance Bosh might re-sign with them, which is why Jose Calderon is on the trading block; no matter what, the Raptors can't come back with the same group. The ideal scenario is to move Bosh to a team in the Western Conference in a sign-and-trade for a front-line defender and a 3-point threat. Cleveland, Miami and Chicago are all eager trade partners but are capable of offering, at best, combinations involving rotation players like Udonis Haslem.

    Alternative Advice: Move Bosh somewhere in the West to avoid the embarrassment of him leading an East rival to the playoffs. The West teams, thanks to deeper rosters, are also capable of offering better deals without bankrupting themselves -- Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol and Sasha Vujacic, say, from the Los Angeles Lakers; Brendan Haywood and Jason Terry from the Dallas Mavericks; or Chase Budinger and Luis Scola from the Houston Rockets. It's OK to posture that bringing Bosh back is a viable alternative -- just don't think about actually doing it.

    Atlanta Hawks


    Objective: Reduce tax burden ($19 million over the threshold if keeping rights to Josh Childress and re-signing Joe Johnson) while somehow adding veteran leadership.

    The Plan: The Hawks are stuck as a good team without the financial flexibility to acquire the necessary pieces to be great. While letting a talent like Johnson leave via free agency is sure to upset their fans, the Hawks don't have much choice, unless they want to be tax payers. Cleveland and Chicago are both interested in a sign-and-trade for Johnson, but Atlanta would be getting back lesser talent (Kirk Hinrich from Chicago, Anderson Varejao from Cleveland) and still be over the cap.

    Alternative Advice: Be fiscally smart -- there's no veteran talent being offered for Johnson that is going to make the team better or increase attendance. The team's growth will come from the continued maturation of Al Horford and Josh Smith. Deal Johnson in a sign-and-trade to a team with cap space and the best first-round pick, start Jamal Crawford in Johnson's spot and bring back Childress for needed leadership and depth.

    Phoenix Suns

    Objective: Retain nucleus without incurring the luxury tax.

    Assets: Pick Nos. 46 and 60, trade exceptions of $2 million and $1.071 million.

    The Plan: Try to re-sign Amare Stoudemire to something less than a maximum contract and Channing Frye to whatever is left below the luxury-tax threshold. With GM Steve Kerr and assistant GM David Griffin both leaving as of July 1, and owner Robert Sarver running the show, the Suns really don't have an alternative. The idea of Sarver wheedling the best sign-and-trade deal, especially if it means coaxing Miami or New York into a three-team trade, just isn't realistic. For an idea of how owner-commandeered deals can turn out, see Memphis owner Michael Heisley's Pau Gasol-for-Kwame Brown masterpiece.

    Alternative Advice: Move Stoudemire in a sign-and-trade for a draft pick and a quality player on his rookie contract (Mario Chalmers?) and use the massive trade exception that comes back to make a separate deal to a taxed team looking to move a monstrous contract. (New Orleans with David West?) With the miracle-working reputation the Phoenix trainers have, even using the exception to get Andrei Kirilenko or Tyson Chandler -- both on fat contracts with a year left -- would keep the Suns competitive next season and then offer fiscal flexibility as the new collective bargaining agreement is hammered out.​

    Not surprised to hear Bosh but I am surprised to hear Johnson... I guess Johnson seems like one of the more realistic S&T opportunities out there... Chicago could be out of the S&T race of Johnson with the Hinrich rade...
     
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  2. Marcus

    Marcus Let's go Cabs!

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    Fingers are crossed... obviously would prefer CB4 ten times out of ten, but I wouldn't complain with JJ on this team, either.
     
  3. Binkster

    Binkster NBA Starter

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    Not to mention you can cross off Kirk Hinrich off of any teams' wish lists.
     
  4. Chris

    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    If Chicago is out of the race- what the hell does Miami have to offer for Bosh at this point? Beasley? Ehh...

    Get it done Grant!
     
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  5. Evancook

    Evancook Situational Stopper

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    Nice little piece after a bleak day.
    That's awesome news.
     
  6. Northstar

    Northstar Gold Star Member

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    Sarver is running the Suns now? I smell Amari Safari: Summer Edition.
     
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  7. Lord Mar

    Lord Mar Master

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    None of those guys are coming to Cleveland if LeBron doesn't re-sign...this isn't exactly ground breaking news, so why are we excited? We should have had this mentality since the end of the season. Is Ric Bucher our savior? :chuckles:
     
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  8. Adam

    Adam Reading and reacting

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    looks like its all coming down to july 1st what a suprise...if leborn spends about 5 days getting wined and dined then thats even more waiting for the league...i bet some guys are getting mighty pissed off with him.
     
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  9. KCOTT

    KCOTT OSU Alum

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    i was thinking the same thing, i bet a lot of guys are overly annoyed with lebron (including myself actually)
     
  10. futuristxen

    futuristxen In the Rotation

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    Why? He can't sign yet, and they are all doing the same thing.
     
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    futuristxen In the Rotation

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    Why are you annoyed? Do something else with your life this summer. There's no reason to follow this story every single day. Watch the World Cup, Baseball, or Wimbledon and forget about Lebron until he actually does or says something. No reason for the average fan to get upset over this. This type of thing happens every year. Free Agency isn't a new thing. Remember Varejao kept us on the hook for most of the summer into the regular season, and at one point threatened to go to Europe.
     
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    MYoung23 12 Reasons to Post

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  13. Renodeluxe

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    What is awesome about this news? Just another PR stunt... You're falling for it...Hook.... Line and Sinker...
     
  14. Adam

    Adam Reading and reacting

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    sorry bad grammer, i meant to say i bet some WILL get pissed off with him once july 5th rolls round and everyone is still waiting for him to decide.
     
  15. Brandname

    Brandname NBA Starter

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    Give the Raptors a great offer. Seriously, just do whatever it takes to get him on this team. We can put together a good package of picks/talent/etc.
     
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  16. Rookie

    Rookie Situational Stopper

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    I think this argument is kind of mute. I would think they would come to lebron before they turn down such offer, based upon that, making their decision. It's not like they wont entertain the thought. And i'm sure if Lebron gave them his word upon returning if they sign off on it, such a deal could happen.
     
  17. ColumbusCavsfan

    ColumbusCavsfan undrafted rookie

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    This "all your eggs in one basket" approach really worries me. I hope that this doesnt blow up in our face.
     
  18. Soda

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    We're one of the only teams legitimately in the LBJ sweepstakes who has anything of value to offer Toronto for CB4. Miami and Chicago have pretty much blew the whole thing up. Unless Chi offers Rose, I don't see it happening and Miami is pretty bare already.
     
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  19. MYoung23

    MYoung23 12 Reasons to Post

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    Houston has some young big men, expiring contracts (if they are willing to trade Battier) and those Knicks picks they hornswaggled to make a good offer for Bosh.
     
  20. AanandM7

    AanandM7 Missing the 2003 Draft

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    There is only one team that could, in reality, give two out of the big three the most possible money. That's us (I'm not including Atlanta or Toronto because they don't seem keen on chasing these guys). Like some have you said, Chicago and Miami have limited trade assets in addition to the fact that Bosh and Johnson have more leverage and essentially force their way to Cleveland. Nobody is beating down the door for Michael Beasley and Taj Gibson/Johnson aren't really wowing anyone with their production or potential at this point. Neither of those teams would be willing to take on Turkoglu, Calderon, Bibby, etc.

    I'm curious as to what some of you think the plausibility of getting both would be. I understand that the odds for even one of those guys are low, but I do think we have the assests considering our ability to absorb bad contracts. Clearing the books for rebuilding teams is key. We know Toronto would suck without Bosh, but I worry that Atlanta would be satisfied with the treadmill of mediocrity.
     
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