Cavs vs. Celtics - 2018 Eastern Conference Finals

[PIP]

How bummed is George Hill. Plays for the Spurs in a couple of "down" years. Gets traded. Spurs almost immediately make two finals. Is a part of some of the best Indy teams ever. Can't get past LeBron. Plays on a damp good Utah team, runs into the fucking KD Warriors.

Finally ends up playing WITH LeBron.... and that finals streak looks likely to end.

Tough luck.

Yea he had 3 points yesterday and was getting torched defensively by Rozier at one point...

I don’t really care how down Jorge is on his luck...

 

[czvo]

Yea he had 3 points yesterday and was getting torched defensively by Rozier at one point...

I don’t really care how down Jorge is on his luck...

Of course he shares blame here, never said he didn't

 

[Green Lantern]

What the hell is up with his 3 pt shot? He was literally leading the league and can't hit one. Hood and Clarkson. Everyone was over 35% and now they can't hit a shot. I know it is the playoffs and defenses are better, but this is not a playoffs only problem on this team. Green is shooting the 3 better than these guys

Intimidated? They all act like they can't take Boston playing them hard.
Just like Indiana..

 

[Cavatt]

Intimidated? They all act like they can't take Boston playing them hard.
Just like Indiana..

Sure, but he was leading the league in 3pt % before he got to Cleveland. He has hit like 3 3's. The knock on him was all he wanted to do was shoot 3's. Where has that been? Like it wasn't there even pre-playoffs.

 

[Kizzle]

Let JR be your irrational confidence guy off the bench. Start Hill, Korver, Lebron, Love, and TT. Nance Jr. should be getting as many minutes at PF and C as possible off the bench. TT and Nance need to screen quickly and allow Korver, Hill, and Lebron to move. You can't have TT and Nance standing in the paint. They need to screen and cut.

LeBron doesn’t want them cutting into the paint tho.


When you play with LeBron there’s only 2 types of players to him.

3pt shooters and non shooters. Why you think Bron has almost NEVER played with a non shooting wing since 2012?

He hates when teams can pack the paint on him and he brainwashes his teams GMs into thinking that building around just him is a good idea. The only rings he won are with crazy stacked teams. That’s not a coincidence. Because when LeBron builds a team he does it around him without thinking “hey, what if a team magically realizes that Kyle fucking Korver isn’t Damien Lilliard and simply puts an athlete on him and sticks to him like glue?”

Dude is an egomaniac. Idk how this conversation escaped us for so long. Iv been saying this shit for years. LeBron don’t wanna win if he’s not the reason for the win. And he don’t wanna lose and he be the reason for the loss.

What other answer can you come up with as to why we brought in Wade, Rose, Crowder, Hill, Nance, Hood, and Clarkson and they ALL. Not one or two. ALL OF THEM played better in another offense THIS VERY SEASON?

Lue and LeBron are clearly up each other’s ass and Lue has let LeBron hijack the offense to pad his stats and the new players got tired of it and now don’t even try hard because fucking why? We touch the ball like twice a quarter and if we don’t shoot 300% from the field on those 2 touches every 20 plays the whole world says we’re trash. That leads to resentment of LeBron because this is OBVIOUSLY the offense he wanted

 

[Kizzle]

Also if you want the low effort explained just picture this


So Bron plays heavy mins. Him AND Lue agree on this obviously detrimental minutes thing.
So let’s say Your Rodney Hood or Jae Crowder. You are basically the dude who is supposed to come in and sub in for LeBron. Or let’s say Your a PG or Clarkson. Your supposed to come in and do what LeBron does and initiate offense


If LeBron is going around bragging about “oh i have to play 45 mins a night just to win. But when I’m in I’m trash on D because Iv convinced myself I’m such a god on offense that i shouldn’t have to play D.” How do you think his bench feels about that. That basically means neither Lue or LeBron trust you bums to come in and hoop. So a guy who should be averaging 30 mpg is now at 42, and nagging about it the whole fucking time and then you watch media call you trash every god damn day and it must wear on you that’s all I’m saying.


If i were a young player not as good as Kyrie Irving i would hate playing with LeBron. Kyrie got his 25 ppg basically by ballhogging whenever LeBron let him get the ball and i think he got fatigued by it. Because he’s have a bad game because he wasn’t getting the ball in his spots and the media would even jump on Kyrie! I bet him leaving was directly related to LeBron talking shit to him about scoring 40 with 1 assists that one game.....that Kyrie won us btw. After that game i could sense Kyrie really ain’t mess with LeBron.

 

[Mavaliersfan]

Some simple adjustments to turn this thing around:

Bron needs to get his ass in the post. Do this early in the shot clock. And drive, drive, drive! Stop settling for the damn jumper!

Attack the paint - Everyone! This means Lue needs to play the guys who can put the ball on the floor. We need to ride or die with a heavy dose of Hill, Clarkson, and Calderon. Play Calderon w/ Clarkson so he can just focus on attacking.

Hill needs to look to score more this series off the pick n roll. Or at least look to turn the corner when a big switches on him and get in the paint to kick out to shooters.

Trap all their wings. We did this the first two series and found success. This will force our guys to rotate (including Bron) and help simplify the defense. It will also help Korver and JR out on the perimeter who are getting torched by the speed and athleticism of Brown & Tatum.

Do these things and we can get right back in this series!

 

[Kizzle]

Don’t get this confused with LeBron hate

He’s my favorite player

But this season, and this offense is all on him. He signed off on this team, he got Blatt fired at 30-11 and he signed off on Lue and we all know why. So he could be the star of the team. It is ridiculous that LeBron teams have become known for their lack of ball movement and the immense pressure for shooters to make damn near every shot at the risk of being Called trash.

Kinda makes me wonder if LeBron doesn’t want a ball move offense because he doesn’t ever wanna score less then 25 ppg.

Then the nerve of this dude to tell his people to leak to the media that he wants to play off the ball and would do so if he played with another star.....oh you mean like when you played with Kyrie and turned him into Kyle Korver everytime you isolated was 60 times a game?


Like i love his game and drive but there are some character flaws with the man no one ever wants to bring up



I said it 7 years ago and Iv believed it since. How we win is more important to LeBron than winning.


Kyrie sensed this last year and wanted out


His teammates are sensing it this year and are about to quit on him in Celeland i guarantee it.

 

[ACisKING]

Don’t get this confused with LeBron hate

He’s my favorite player

But this season, and this offense is all on him. He signed off on this team, he got Blatt fired at 30-11 and he signed off on Lue and we all know why. So he could be the star of the team. It is ridiculous that LeBron teams have become known for their lack of ball movement and the immense pressure for shooters to make damn near every shot at the risk of being Called trash.

Kinda makes me wonder if LeBron doesn’t want a ball move offense because he doesn’t ever wanna score less then 25 ppg.

Then the nerve of this dude to tell his people to leak to the media that he wants to play off the ball and would do so if he played with another star.....oh you mean like when you played with Kyrie and turned him into Kyle Korver everytime you isolated was 60 times a game?


Like i love his game and drive but there are some character flaws with the man no one ever wants to bring up



I said it 7 years ago and Iv believed it since. How we win is more important to LeBron than winning.


Kyrie sensed this last year and wanted out


His teammates are sensing it this year and are about to quit on him in Celeland i guarantee it.

I generally agree but my one qualm is that Kyrie had a higher usage than LeBron last year. LeBron deferred to him plenty and basically let Kyrie take over the offense down the stretch of games.

 

[Ohio]

These last couple games have been awful, but I find myself still optimistic in this series. Boston is a completely different team on the road; I'm confident we can protect homecourt. We do that, I think we re-focus ourselves and are able to win Game 5 and then end the series in 6 in Cleveland.

We win the next 2, we win 4 in a row. We lose one of the next two, we are doomed.

 

[The Red Viper]

Is LeBron just bored that he wants us to go 3-0 down and be the first team to win a series after trailing 3-0?

 

[Kiddo]

Celtics are a really really good team and they play extremely hard. Cavs just can’t match their effort

With how Rozier, Brown, Tatum and Horford have played this postseason one could argue they’d all be the Cavs 2nd best player. Lebron played great and Love played good but they still lost by a lot. Marcus Morris and Marcus Smart would right now be our 3rd best players (maybe Korver). Add Brad Stevens and there’s no surprise we’re down 0-2. Gotta give them credit, they made the moves that set them up for a dynasty.

 

[bobbyh]

Celtics are a really really good team and they play extremely hard. Cavs just can’t match their effort

With how Rozier, Brown, Tatum and Horford have played this postseason one could argue they’d all be the Cavs 2nd best player. Lebron played great and Love played good but they still lost by a lot. Marcus Morris and Marcus Smart would right now be our 3rd best players (maybe Korver). Add Brad Stevens and there’s no surprise we’re down 0-2. Gotta give them credit, they made the moves that set them up for a dynasty.

Plus if Boston decides they don't want to risk Irving in their future they will actually get even more worthwhile pieces for him; unlike the Cavs doing the worst team trade of all time with him.

 

[czvo]

Don’t get this confused with LeBron hate

He’s my favorite player

But this season, and this offense is all on him. He signed off on this team, he got Blatt fired at 30-11 and he signed off on Lue and we all know why. So he could be the star of the team. It is ridiculous that LeBron teams have become known for their lack of ball movement and the immense pressure for shooters to make damn near every shot at the risk of being Called trash.

Kinda makes me wonder if LeBron doesn’t want a ball move offense because he doesn’t ever wanna score less then 25 ppg.

Then the nerve of this dude to tell his people to leak to the media that he wants to play off the ball and would do so if he played with another star.....oh you mean like when you played with Kyrie and turned him into Kyle Korver everytime you isolated was 60 times a game?


Like i love his game and drive but there are some character flaws with the man no one ever wants to bring up



I said it 7 years ago and Iv believed it since. How we win is more important to LeBron than winning.


Kyrie sensed this last year and wanted out


His teammates are sensing it this year and are about to quit on him in Celeland i guarantee it.

This is fucking gold.

 

[Jscc]

Kizzle been crusading lately.