Chip Kelly Safari - tour over

[MalTalm]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Mangini was a good coach. Not great, but passable. Definitely better than Shurmur. He was a terrible talent evaluator and had too much control here too early, but had Lerner had a disciplined front office, he would have been a good hire. For as much hate as Holmgren gets, I think he's managed to make the executive branch of the Browns a legit office. There is structure, there is a plan, and we can now hold the right people accountable. He's been too loyal to his guys, and I think he needs to go for the Shurmur hire, but the Browns are still better off because they hired Holmgren.

The one good thing I see in all of this is that Joe Banner is the guy coming in to replace Holmgren. Bringing in another WCO guy means we shouldn't need to alter our personnel. As far as the next Browns coach, I think it'll most likely be one of:

Childress
Jauron
Reid
Gruden

With Gruden being by far the most coveted but least likely guy to take the job. I'd bet Haslam will make a monetary offer that will be hard for Gruden to turn down, but if Gruden didn't want to coach this team for his mentor Holmgren, I doubt he'll do it for the organization that fires Holmgren. We'll see I guess. But Chilly and Jauron both have HC experience with mixed results each. They're also already familiar with our personnel, and the transition would be an easy one. If I was a gambling man, I'd bet on one of those guys getting to take the reins after Haslam takes over, and if they can show anything before the end of the season, they can probably earn their job.

 

[Chardon]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

[video=youtube;Ce_gFY1bKgE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce_gFY1bKgE[/video]

 

[Ohdang]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I don't remember the media loving Romeo or Mangini.

The national media loved the Romeo hire because he was a Belichick coordinator, which in their eyes made you instantly one of the greatest coaches of all time. After not having a dynasty built in his first year they stopped paying attention to him until 2007 when Derek Anderson had that fluke season. But that year they were on his nuts again. The local media loved the guy because they had inside information flooding out of the front office and it made their jobs easy.

The national media also loved Mangini in New York so much they dubbed him Mangenius when he went 10-6 his first year. Then they quickly turned on him the year he started 8-3 but missed the playoffs because Brett Favre shit the bed. The media loves them some Favre so they sided with him and turned on Mangini and he got fired. The Cleveland media hated him from day 1 because he cut off the free flow of information being leaked from the Crennel regime and they had jack shit to write about and had to get off their ass and actually be journalists.

Basically, the media is a fickle bitch. But they gave both those guys love when it suited them, and none when it didn't.

 

[RealKingofCleve]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Mangini was a good coach. Not great, but passable. Definitely better than Shurmur. He was a terrible talent evaluator and had too much control here too early, but had Lerner had a disciplined front office, he would have been a good hire. For as much hate as Holmgren gets, I think he's managed to make the executive branch of the Browns a legit office. There is structure, there is a plan, and we can now hold the right people accountable. He's been too loyal to his guys, and I think he needs to go for the Shurmur hire, but the Browns are still better off because they hired Holmgren.

The one good thing I see in all of this is that Joe Banner is the guy coming in to replace Holmgren. Bringing in another WCO guy means we shouldn't need to alter our personnel. As far as the next Browns coach, I think it'll most likely be one of:

Childress
Jauron
Reid
Gruden

With Gruden being by far the most coveted but least likely guy to take the job. I'd bet Haslam will make a monetary offer that will be hard for Gruden to turn down, but if Gruden didn't want to coach this team for his mentor Holmgren, I doubt he'll do it for the organization that fires Holmgren. We'll see I guess. But Chilly and Jauron both have HC experience with mixed results each. They're also already familiar with our personnel, and the transition would be an easy one. If I was a gambling man, I'd bet on one of those guys getting to take the reins after Haslam takes over, and if they can show anything before the end of the season, they can probably earn their job.

...No

 

[Phills14]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I've seen people throw the name Chip Kelly around. No basis for the rumor just the fact he would be a bold choice by a seemly bold guy in Haslam.

The Holmgren thing coming down from the owners suite to coach isn't the worst idea in the world. I don't think there is a chance in hell it happens.

Whatever happens, I just hope that we don't hit the reset button again. Find a guy who is a good coach who can put the players in positions where they can succeed. Shoe horning players into positions that they aren't comfortable with because that's what your offensive philosophy says to do is a terrible way to run a team. Take the best 54 men and use their strengths to help the team, don't make them do something they can't do.

 

[Lee]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

None of us will be alive in 2103...

Speak for yourself. I plan on freezing myself in about 5 years and i am going to DVR all of the browns games. I will unfreeze and wake up in the year 2100, I will not read any newspaper clippings. I figure by then the Browns will have atleast one superbow victory and I will finally know what it feels like to win a championship as a Browns fan.

 

[FiveThous]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Speak for yourself. I plan on freezing myself in about 5 years and i am going to DVR all of the browns games. I will unfreeze and wake up in the year 2100, I will not read any newspaper clippings. I figure by then the Browns will have atleast one superbow victory and I will finally know what it feels like to win a championship as a Browns fan.

Id set it to 2150 just to be safe.

 

[Soar]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Winston Moss.

 

[Damage]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Who do I want? Chud .

Who do I think? Dungy or Gruden. Gruden has only worked with experienced, older QB's (and teams, for that matter) - so that scares me. Plus he's a retread who's been out of the league for quite a while now. Same goes for Dungy

 

[Kevalier]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

One crucial aspect that's been overlooked so far in this thread, is which general manger will be involved in hiring the next head coach. Heckert is certainly no lock to stay on board next year given the lack of success on the field as well as his supposedly icy relationship with Joe Banner. The first domino to fall after Holmgren gets his golden parachute will probably be Heckert before Shurmy.

 

[FiveThous]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I dont care who our coach is, I will be livid if we lose heckert.

 

[MoFlo]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

One crucial aspect that's been overlooked so far in this thread, is which general manger will be involved in hiring the next head coach. Heckert is certainly no lock to stay on board next year given the lack of success on the field as well as his supposedly icy relationship with Joe Banner. The first domino to fall after Holmgren gets his golden parachute will probably be Heckert before Shurmy.

If Heckert is gone before next year, I don't think it'll be before Shurmer.

Honestly, we'll probably still be winless in October when Haslam officially takes over. I wouldn't be mad if he came in, had a talk with Heckert, and basically told him that things need to change right away. I don't like a meddling owner, but he needs to come in with an "alright, this losing attitude, this losing atmosphere is over. It's time to win some games" attitude.

It wouldn't help this season, but he definitely needs to come in with that mindset.

 

[Kevalier]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I dont care who our coach is, I will be livid if we lose heckert.

I would have agreed with your sentiment before this season started (and yes, I know it's only Week 4 now), but why would it be a crime if Haslam and Banner wanted to hire "their guy" at the GM position? Especially if we end up winning only 3 or 4 games. The immense challenges that Holmgren and Heckert faced when they took over is well-documented and completely relevant. However, this is their 3rd season at the helm of the front office, and we are top dogshit of the entire league. Heckert has certainly upgraded the roster and added a few core, young players (Haden, Richardson, Taylor), but like every other executive he has dropped some steaming turds (Hardesty, Little.) After three years as general manager, Tom Heckert has established himself as a respectable talent evaluator, but his allergy to free agency along with failing to land RG3 keep him from being an untouchable figure in the Browns organization.

 

[Cavs1]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I can't believe one of you clowns hasn't mentioned this guy...

LOL!

 

[Ruken]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

The list thus far..

Jon Gruden - Fmr NFL HC- TB/OAK
Jim Tressel - Fmr College HC - Ohio State
Bill Cowher - Fmr NFL HC
Mike McCoy - OC - DEN
Rob Chudzinski - OC - CAR
Mike Zimmer - DC - CIN
Rob Ryan - DC - DAL
Mike Sherman - Fmr NFL HC - GB / OC - MIA
Jack Del Rio - Fmr NFL HC - JAX
Ray Horton - DC - ARI
Jay Gruden - OC - CIN
Ruken - Internet Forums Poster
Andy Reid - HC - PHI

So you're saying there is a chance. I think Gruden is everyone's choice but it is going to be hard to get him out of broadcasting. Dude really enjoys it. I also feel that Cowher isn't coming back as well. Wouldn't mine giving Chud another shot.