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[BooyaCS]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Except for Gruden.....how do these people have ties to Haslam

Arians was the OC of Pittsburg when Haslam was part owner. During that time in Pittsburg Wandstant was the HC of The University of Pittsburg.
Haslam is a booster for the University of Tennessee and a good friend of the Manning Family. Dungy was Peyton's coach in Indy

Keith Butler is the current LB coach for the Pittsburg Steelers and has had that job when Haslam bought into the team in 2008.
Del Rio is the DC for Denver. Peyton plays for Denver and again Haslam is friends with the Manning Family.
Pete Carmichael JR is the OC for the New Orleans Saints. Again the ties to the Mannings with Archie Manning being in NO.

So coaches with ties to the Mannings
Dungy,
Del Rio,
Carmichael Jr

Coaches with ties to Pittsburg (when Haslam was affiliated with the team and city)
Arians,
Butler
Wandstandt

And then there is the rumors that Haslam and Gruden have spoken...

 

[BooyaCS]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

This is depressing as fuck. We're seriously talking about the 2013 opener?!? We are so shitty that this new NFL season is already moot in September with 15 games to go. We're talking about another regime change after the current regime did jack shit and wasted our time. Idk about you guys but fuck the Browns. Until they show me something, you won't catch me tailgating or buying jerseys. I just don't get why we're "a Browns Town" when the Browns are always the joke of the NFL. Why bother? It's frustrating as fuck, until we have some leaders in place were going to continue to blow cock. You won't catch me waiting for next year, fuck that.

We need someone to get up in that ass. We need a tough personality that football players can relate to like Mike Tomlin. Pat Shurmur could easily work at petting farm and I would not think twice about it, his image is softer than Cottonelle.

We are too loyal to a terrible franchise and until they can put something on the field that deserves our diehard loyalty then fuck them. This is going to turn into the Cavs town because their our only entertaining team with somewhat of a bright future. Browns future: cloudy. Tribe future: hopeless. GO CAVS

Actually I don't think the fan base is loyal anymore. The current attitude is one of apathy and such which makes us the most miserable and probably the worst fanbase in the NFL. We expect something just because our team was taken away 15 years ago yet we won't give anyone the time to "build" it.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Obviously I'd love a big name who could come in and immediately command respect. But there's nothing WR f with hiring a first time head coach. The trick here is they need to be qualified. Someone who has orchestrated a top offense or top defense on a winning team. Not someone who had a shitty offense on a shitty team but whose Uncle is buddies with the team President.

 

[The Oi]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Actually I don't think the fan base is loyal anymore. The current attitude is one of apathy and such which makes us the most miserable and probably the worst fanbase in the NFL. We expect something just because our team was taken away 15 years ago yet we won't give anyone the time to "build" it.

And this is such a ridiculous line of thinking. WE, the fans aren't responsible for giving anyone time to build anything. In fact...fans are responsible for nothing and they owe a team nothing. The team doesn't technically owe them anything either. But if the team wants to sell tickets or merchandise, then it needs to put a quality product on the field. That's a professional sports team's job...entertain the fans and by virtue of doing so...make money. It's capitalism.

A fan base's "loyalty" goes as far as its team goes towards keeping it entertained. Attendance is, with very few exceptions, reflective completely of the product that's put on the field for it to watch.

If Pepsi changes it recipe so that it tastes like freshly mowed grass and it flops, then keeps the same flavor but adds horse hoof shavings and it flops again, THEN they keep the grass and horse hoof taste but add a little bit more sugar...is it the former Pepsi drinker's fault when they switch to a different soda or stop drinking soda altogether in spite of Pepsi adding something that was supposed to be a key ingredient of a successful product?

No...it's Pepsi's fault for bottling a shitty product. It's Pepsi's fault for not getting the point and making shitty decisions that fewer and fewer people agree to pay for over time.

Don't blame the fan base for quitting on the team. Blame the people responsible for putting the crappy product on the field.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

With Haslem's ties I would put the following people in play for HC

Jon Gruden
Tony Dungey
Bruce Arians
Keith Butler
Jack Del Rio
Pete Carmichael Jr
Dave Wantstant

I truly don't think we need to worry about Haslam's ties to previous coaches. He's going to be advised by Banner and Haslam just seems like the type to interview a bunch of people and pick the most impressive. It's a far cry from choosing your buddy's nephew.

 

[StuDiscus]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Jimmy Haslam.

 

[Ohdang]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Arians was the OC of Pittsburg when Haslam was part owner. During that time in Pittsburg Wandstant was the HC of The University of Pittsburg.
Haslam is a booster for the University of Tennessee and a good friend of the Manning Family. Dungy was Peyton's coach in Indy

Keith Butler is the current LB coach for the Pittsburg Steelers and has had that job when Haslam bought into the team in 2008.
Del Rio is the DC for Denver. Peyton plays for Denver and again Haslam is friends with the Manning Family.
Pete Carmichael JR is the OC for the New Orleans Saints. Again the ties to the Mannings with Archie Manning being in NO.

So coaches with ties to the Mannings
Dungy,
Del Rio,
Carmichael Jr

Coaches with ties to Pittsburg (when Haslam was affiliated with the team and city)
Arians,
Butler
Wandstandt

And then there is the rumors that Haslam and Gruden have spoken...

That was very....Glenn Beck-ish...in the way you drew those conclusions.

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

I'm so fucking sick of changing coaching staff's every 2 god damn years. Leave Shurmer, and let him find his niche. You can't build a team when you keep changing shit, it's just stupid as fuck. We've started something here, and there has been no where near enough time for it to develop into something.

You are all the typical CLEVELAND BROWNS fans that have completely ruined this franchise since 99, because you can't just be patient. GIVE IT SOME GOD DAMN TIME YOU FUCKERS.

 

[elcheato]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

First of all, you can't build a team when your head coach is terrible.

Second, fans haven't ruined this franchise. Constant hires of terrible management have ruined it.

 

[Smooth]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

I'm so fucking sick of changing coaching staff's every 2 god damn years. Leave Shurmer, and let him find his niche. You can't build a team when you keep changing shit, it's just stupid as fuck. We've started something here, and there has been no where near enough time for it to develop into something.

You are all the typical CLEVELAND BROWNS fans that have completely ruined this franchise since 99, because you can't just be patient. GIVE IT SOME GOD DAMN TIME YOU FUCKERS.

Whether or not that may be a valid point, the matter of the fact is that with a new owner, and team president, and poor results it isn't going to help them stay in Cleveland...

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Whether or not that may be a valid point, the matter of the fact is that with a new owner, and team president, and poor results it isn't going to help them stay in Cleveland...

You just can't keep changing things every 2 years. Sorry, but that isn't a winning formula whatsoever. You can go back and look at successful teams, and how they got that way. I can tell you right now, it's not by changing coaches every 2 fuckin years. These things take time, and quite frankly I'm so SICK AND TIRED of seeing a new face on the sidelines every couple years. We need to give Shurmer a chance for christ sake.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

I know nothing about the Browns except for what I read here and what my friends back home talk about, but I feel like Todd Haley would be a nice match for the Browns. Won his division his 2nd year as coach with what had been a terrible team the few years before his arrival. His 3rd year he lost Charles, Moeaki, Eric Berry, and probably some other notables on that team very early and he got fired for it (and for the way he acted, but some emotion from a coach isn't always a bad thing). Guy knows how to cater to a good running back, something the Browns look like they have with Trent, coordinated a Super Bowl reaching offense, and this year he just happens to be coordinating in the AFC North and getting to know all the teams the Browns must face. It also may help that your new owner was a part of the ownership regime that just hired him as the Steelers OC, so some familiarity may be there. Just my opinion, be gentle Browns fans.

 

[Biw]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

You just can't keep changing things every 2 years. Sorry, but that isn't a winning formula whatsoever. You can go back and look at successful teams, and how they got that way. I can tell you right now, it's not by changing coaches every 2 fuckin years. These things take time, and quite frankly I'm so SICK AND TIRED of seeing a new face on the sidelines every couple years. We need to give Shurmer a chance for christ sake.

I don't want a revolving door of head coaches, but a bad hire is a bad hire. Shurmer needs to get iced. The guy's looked lost since he got here and even with a more talented roster we can't move the ball with his shit play calling.

Not to mention the guy just has a face that makes me want to put his teeth in the back of his throat.

 

[MoFlo]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.

I'm so fucking sick of changing coaching staff's every 2 god damn years. Leave Shurmer, and let him find his niche. You can't build a team when you keep changing shit, it's just stupid as fuck. We've started something here, and there has been no where near enough time for it to develop into something.

You are all the typical CLEVELAND BROWNS fans that have completely ruined this franchise since 99, because you can't just be patient. GIVE IT SOME GOD DAMN TIME YOU FUCKERS.

I agree with your 1 premise that a team needs continuity.

However, a team also shouldn't keep a coach just for the sake of maintaining continuity.

If a guy just isn't getting it done, then sometimes it's just that simple.

And the fans aren't the problem in the least bit. It's the owner/front office's job to NOT give into the pressure of the fans if they believe in the coach/GM/whatever the case may be.

That was exactly one of Lerner's problems, he listened to whomever gave him advice & he gave into the pressure of the fans.

 

[Phills14]

Re: Who is our head coach in the 2103 Opener

There are so many questions as to what is going to happen after Oct 16th it's not funny. Projecting forward, I think 3 things will absolutely happen, Holmgren will be 'bought out', Shurmur will be fired no later than the end of the season (most likely scenario being the monday after the final game) and Joe Banner will be the team president. As far as what happens with Heckert, who knows.

Will there be 4 key people running the Browns next year?
Haslam: Active Owner
Joe Banner: Active Team President
GM: Tom Heckert or someone else controlling personnel
Head Coach: Someone not named Pat Shurmur.

That seems like a lot of people stirring the soup, doesn't it?

I can see a scenario where Heckert is let go and we bring in an experienced head coach who will have significant control over the roster, ala Mangini without the farce of Kokinis. Although Joe Banner didn't have the final say on the roster, he had significant influence over it. Maybe he wants full control over that? Maybe Banner has that control and the GM duties are split between him and the head coach. I think if the Browns want to get a guy like Bill Cowher, we would have to yield some control over the roster to him. Maybe the same with Gruden.

It could also go with clearer lines: Team President, GM, Head Coach and an active owner but who knows. However; if we go this route, I don't think Gruden or Cowher are candidates for the job.