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Cleveland Indians End of Season Game Thread

Discussion in '(MLB) Cleveland Indians' started by Gunther, Sep 8, 2011.

  1. Gunther

    Gunther ...back on the weed...

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    No reason to make a new thread for every remaining series now that our playoff hopes are shooting down the crapper like yesterday's roast beef sandwich.

    There is lots of baseball yet to be played, and lots of things to look forward to for next season, IMO. Here's a few things I'll be watching for:

    • Let Chis play. Time to give him an extended look again, especially with Hannahan sidelined for awhile. He's the future and needs at bats.
    • Matt LaPorta - what do they do with him? He should be back up soon, and that being the case, I'd like to see him get extended playing time. But maybe his time is past.
    • Kipnis, Kipnis, Kipnis - just fun to watch him hit. Keep it up, young man.
    • Jason Donald - I'd like to see more of him as the season winds down. He looks like a solid player and could use the experience.
    • Is it time to re-establish Carlos Santana as the catcher on this team? That is probably his position of highest value to the club. You only get better by playing there.
    • Jeanmar Gomez and David Huff - are they viable options for next season's rotation?

    Remaining Schedule:

    4 @ Chicago White Sox
    3 @ Texas Rangers
    3 @ Minnesota Twins
    1 vs. Seattle
    4 vs. Chicago White Sox, including a day-night DH
    4 vs. Minnesota Twins, including a day-night DH
    3 @ Detroit Tigers to end the season

    The week of Sept 18 - Sept 24 is brutal, with 9 games in 7 days. Then we get to go to Detroit.
     
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  2. Chardon

    Chardon Hall of Farmer

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    I love the Indians to death, but they give me nothing to be excited for next year besides a couple of players. Tell me why i should get excited? Why is it always "Next year"
     
  3. AZ_

    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    Perhaps because this team overachieved before they were ready, have one of the youngest teams in baseball including two pitchers at the top who have all-star potential.

    Let's be honest, nothing is going to get people like you excited unless they compete year in and year out...

    So why torture yourself, find a new team...
     
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    Yeah, it's hard to call this season a sucess since besides 2 months they have been playing like crap.
     
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  6. Pyro

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    Let's get back on the winning track tonight, shall we?
     
  7. MoFlo

    MoFlo Administrator Staff Member

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    Could not agree more.

    Anybody who expected us to compete for the division this season was seriously reaching & put this heartbreak on themselves.

    This team completely overachieved & IMO, would have made this a race down to the last series, had they not had so many injuries.

    Kudos to Manny Acta & his staff, and to the players on this team! If you look at our roster and some of the lineups we've put out there this season, there's no way in hell you'd expect us to be in the division race as long as we were.

    Gives me a ton of hope for the future of this ballclub!
     
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  8. Gimme Some Mo

    Gimme Some Mo All-Star

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    I don't see how we overachieved. I expected a 3rd or 4th place finish and we are currently looking like we will finish 3rd (in a horrible division).

    We started 30-15 thanks to miraculous wins nightly. We were pulling wins out of our ass every night late in the games. We were playing great, nobody can deny that.... But you also can't deny how many games we won because of one play that usual happened late. A lot of those were plays that we couldn't count on continuing to happen (Buck HR vs Cinci comes to mind).

    Since then, we are 40-55.

    That is a winning % of .421. That would be good for 6th worst in the MLB if you compare it to the current winning %'s for the whole season.

    That is not impressive IMO, but maybe your expectations for the Tribe were so low, that our play is considered overachieving.

    Am I excited about numerous players on this team for next season? Yes.

    - Masterson
    - Joe Smith
    - Pestano
    - Sipp
    - Asdrubal
    - Kipnis (showed signs, but didn't play enough to have me convinced and super excited)
    - Santana
    - Tomlin (somewhat)

    Those are all nice players, but we don't have THAT guy or THOSE guys (if you are Boston, NY, etc). Our lineup is just lacking that guaranteed run producing machine in the 3 or 4 spot.

    I do believe we have a shot at the playoffs next season, but that is mainly because we are in such a shitty division. This team will be nowhere close to being a title contender next season. Sure, anything can happen in the MLB playoffs, which is why there is always some hope in baseball. But if you truly think we will be on the level on Boston, NY, Philly, etc... I think you are crazy.
     
  9. Gunther

    Gunther ...back on the weed...

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    I think "not hitting" would be more accurate than "playing like crap". If this team had some offensive firepower, they would have made a harder push.

    There were a ton of injuries, as you are aware, but there were also people that did not live up to their potential. Matt LaPorta is the biggest culprit, IMO. He showed no improvement all season, just one-game teasers of how good he should be. I think the Andy Marte comparisons are right on. The kid hasn't shown the ability to hit above the AAA level. Fortunately, he plays at a position where we could find off-season help pretty easily, IMO.

    Otherwise, you were looking at the growing pains of a young ball club who was forced to rely too heavily on their youth.
     
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  10. Chris

    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    Sadly, I agree with GSM in that respect- we won't be on "their" level.

    Still, what can you do? Hopefully the FO makes legitimate additions to the team for next season and not the garbage we're used to them adding every offseason.
     
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    Prince Fielder will be the first of those additions.
     
  12. Gunther

    Gunther ...back on the weed...

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    We don't have to be on that level. All we have to do is win the division, finish on a roll, as injury-free as possible, and have sufficient pitching to see us through the playoff series. If you're expecting the Indians to win at a .600-.650 clip for the whole season next year, then you have set the bar too high. Fortunately, it is not necessary to do that. Detroit is winning at a .566 clip and has a 9 game lead in the Central right now.
     
  13. AZ_

    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    This team isn't going to win because of off-season additions...
     
  14. Chris

    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    They can have an easier time winning with them, though. What, we can't trade for a good player?
     
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    Why not? If it's a good piece we need, why not?
     
  16. AZ_

    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    Not really, no.

    They dealt their two biggest chips for Jimenez. And you're looking at more of a second tier players with the current chips.

    The point of small market free agency is to bring in complimentary players.

    If they can come out of this offseason with something a step above Austin Kearns or OC, I'll be happy.

    Something in the Josh Willingham, Cuddyer, Mark Buerhle range on a one-year deal or something.


    Expecting them to go nuts with free agent acquisitions or fantasy trades isn't going to happen this year or the forseeable future, especially after dealing for Ubaldo.
     
  17. Chris

    Chris Welcome to the Future

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    If those were their only real trade chips, I have to question that trade. I'd have saved them for more of a sure thing.
     
  18. DougHeil

    DougHeil The LeFraud Interaction

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    Oh shoot; I do think we will make at least one big trade for a bat. I also think we do have the players another team would want. A 3 for 1 or even 4 players for one BIG bat would get it done with the right team and player. I don't know who that player might be, but to say we can't make one nice trade is ridiculous. We can also do a few smaller things to improve.

    Trade assets:

    Phelps
    LaPorta
    Carrera
    Carmona
    Sizemore
    Hafner
    Gomez
    Huff
    McAllister
    Mills
    Hoffman
    and many more minor leaguers at all levels. Oh sure, some of those aren't real good assets, but assets anyway.

    We WILL make a trade. We WILL pick up a FA or two, although small impact.

    I believe many things we do depends on what we do with Sizemore. Does he stay or does he go? Going means we freed up LF for a big bat who could also DH when needed. Staying means we have no outfield position open for that big bat with Brantley, Sizemore, and Choo. Everything depends on what we decide with Sizemore.

    I'm looking forward to the off season and then spring training. I DO think we are close. I also do not really call this season a success either.

    We started doing badly in May and before all the injuries really hit. We haven't played winning baseball since May. We haven't been even close to playing winning baseball. I want to see how we finish this year. Do we pack it in or do we play hard? That can tell us a bunch about the coaching and the makeup of our young players.
     
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    AZ_ Hall-of-Famer

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    Trade assets:

    LOL.

    What can you reasonably expect to land with those..."assets"??
     
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  20. Chris

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    Maybe Pujols if we package all 11 of them?
     
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