Shabazz is unfortunately shorter than every player you mentioned. He would be the only small forward I can think of in the 6'4 ish range sans shoes.
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What did we learn in class today? The height to the tip of your head doesn't mean anything in terms of helping you play basketball. Standing reach, wingspan, and weight do. Of what consequence is it if his height is 6'4.5" when his standing reach, wingspan, and weight are all fine for a small forward? Your only argument was that it helps him see over defenders better, but that clearly isn't true. What else do you got?
Hey Ty, I'm just bringing our talk over to here:
You are claiming that your argument was infallible and now you are telling me that I am conceding your argument? What a convenient way to prove your point. All you did was cherry pick photos and then create a blanket statement that supported your argument. You aren't going to win many science fair projects with that type of scientific methology.
I just showed an example of d wade listing a more realistic height. You can list him at 6'6" all you want but he will still be the shortest 6'6" guy in the nba, lol. Maybe we can round up again and make him 6'7" while we're at it?
I did concede that he could play small forward. It just wouldn't be optimal. Can we move this to shabazz thread? I already made a post over there. Just try to put less words into my mouth please.
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I didn't mean to put words into your mouth, but you essentially called my argument invalid because it was an opinion that can't be scientifically proven. To be honest, that really did nothing to further your argument, nor did it do anything to disprove mine because it provided no specific details as to how my argument is invalid or how your argument was true. I saw that as conceding because I basically felt that you were saying "well . . . you can't prove it, so there!" I apologize if that offended you.
I'm not saying that I'm infallible, but my first point is undeniable in that he does have average size for a small forward. You can't deny that his standing reach, wingspan, and weight are all just about average for a small forward since I gave cold-hard stats to prove it and the nature of that argument needed nothing more than stats to prove it.
And how is picking a photo of the largest perimeter defender and arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA cherry picking? If anything, I picked a photo of the hardest player to see over, yet it was clear that any small forward could see over him when he was in his defensive stance--Even Shabazz. NO perimeter player is going to be standing straight up like they're getting measured. They'll have their legs spread apart, knees bent, butt out, and chest forward, which makes them all about a foot shorter than their full height. I'm sorry if you disagree with this and think it's just an opinion, but I don't really think it's up for discussion. It's true that any small forward will be able to see anywhere on the court regardless of who is defending them.
Sure, the length or size of the small forward that is guarding Shabazz could bother him in terms of getting a shot up, passing the ball, getting around them, or posting them up, but, again, they're not going to deny Shabazz from seeing where he wants to go because the defensive stance just doesn't allow them to stand up that tall.
And you still don't seem to understand that players' official NBA.com heights are listed with their shoes on. Wade's listed height is a statistical anomaly because he really should be listed at 6'5" since his height with shoes on is 6'4.75". 99% of players' heights are rounded toward the closest inch to their height with shoes.
It's also hyperbole and a strawman argument to exaggerate something like rounding (like exaggerating rounding 6'5.75" to 6'7") and then call the exaggeration as unfair when the original rounding was a completely legal mathematical rounding of a number. If you took 5th-grade math, you would know that you round up when you hit .5-.9999 or round down when you hit .0001-.4999. It's completely fair to round Shabazz's height to 6'6" when he's 6'5.75" in shoes. Like I said, almost all players' heights are with shoes on and rounded to the nearest inch. If you want to challenge on that, then I'll gladly list more players that follow my way of listing official NBA height than you can list for your method.
If you want to list Shabazz at 6'5" because of his height without shoes, then you have to list all other players the same way as well. Not all players' listed heights are an inch to an inch and a half less. It's just not fair to compare his height without shoes to all players' heights with shoes. But why are we still talking about height when height is a pretty irrelevant measurement? We need to be talking about wingspan, standing reach, and weight.
Ty, would you be able to show me instances where Shabazz wouldn't be able to see over his defender? If you're going to stick with at argument, I think this is the best route to take. If you're not going to go this route, then what else have you got?
And I'm sorry again if I offended you. I can get competitive sometimes when debating people.
