Just because bazz decided to wear bigger shoes doesn't mean he is closer to 6'6". When I wear stilts I'm closer to 7 feet tall. Maybe I should list myself at 7 foot.
Actually, it's the norm that players wear shoes that add 1-1.5 inches to their height while playing. Go check out draftexpress.com's pre-draft measurements, and you'll see for yourself. Shabazz's shoes only add 1.25" to his height, which is absolutely acceptable and normal. He wasn't wearing stilts at all. Drummond, on the other hand, wore shoes that added 2 inches to his height! Who was wearing stilts now?
Your style of argument is obnoxious. How in the world did I discredit my own argument?
You discredited your own argument because you were arguing the being
taller helps a player more easily put their
hand in your face, yet it's the
wingspan and standing reach that will determine how close a
hand can get into the face of a player. Your hands aren't on your head. Your hands are at the ends of your arms, the things that are actually used to extend the hand into a player's face. Standing reach and wingspan would be the determining factor of how easy it is to put a hand in a player's face, not height.
See, you have to understand that height only makes up part of the equation of how far up and out your hands can extend, and, since you do many more things with your hands than your do with your head (unless you're Kevin Garnett and pound your head against the padding of the base that holds up the hoop and backboard), it's better to use the full measurement of actually how high up and out your hands can reach rather than using a measurement that doesn't tell nearly the whole story.
For example, Tyler Zeller is 7'0.5" in shoes. That's fantastic height for a center. However, his standing reach is only 8'8.5", which is horrendous. Possibly no player in the history of the NBA that was his height has ever had a standing reach that horrible. His wingspan is also only 7', which is also terrible. He may have the height for a center, but his standing reach and wingspan are more so on the level of an average small forward. This is going to limit how good he can be as a center. Kevin Durant, who plays small forward, is 6'10.25" in shoes, yet has a standing reach of 9'2" and a wingspan of 7'4.75". Unreal length for a small forward.
That means that, without jumping, Durant already has a 5.5" advantage in rebounding the ball if you go by standing reach. If you go by height, however, then Durant actually has a 2.25" disadvantage. But, since we don't rebound with the tip of our head and rebound with our hands, it makes standing reach a much more superior stat than height in this situation. That 2.25" height "advantage" really isn't an advantage at all in this case.
This can be extrapolated to ANY situation where the ball is being risen above the head, meaning that, in any such situation where the ball is above the head, standing reach is going to be a more important factor than height. Kevin Durant is also going to have a significant advantage in shooting the ball since his release point is going to be about 5.5" higher than Zeller's, assuming both of them have a high release point. Durant's also going to have a significantly better chance of blocking a ball or affecting its trajectory than Zeller due to his longer wingspan and higher standing reach than Zeller.
This is just one example of how standing reach and wingspan are superior to height. I hope this makes sense.
Besides, no player is going to have trouble putting a hand in another player's face because all player's standing reaches are well above the height of any player's eyes. Do you really think that Shabazz, who has an 8'8" standing reach, is going to have trouble putting his hand in the face of Durant, who's eye level is probably around 6'3-5"? Hell no.
If you are taller it is more difficult to put a hand in your face on closeouts. Bigger players at the three will have an easier time doing this. Unless we are going to now start measuring where your eyeballs are relative your head.
See the last paragraph my last response before this one. This is just a silly argument. No one is going to have trouble putting a hand in anyone's face.
You like to argue little mundane things like this,
Yet here you are responding to every one of my posts.
or whether or not durrant is a below average athlete.
People have been responding to this argument as well. Must be of some value.
Insane viewpoints that nobody is on board with you on
It's a logical fallacy to appeal to popular opinion. If two-thirds of the world were to believe that the sky is falling, doesn't make it true. The truth is in the evidence, not the people deciphering the evidence. Appeal to the evidence, not others' opinions.
that you will fight to the death.
If this is so, then I guess you're fighting with me to the death. :chuckles:
You also decided to throw in things wingspan was useful for when I specifically said standing reach vs height.
Because this conversation cannot be properly covered without referring to wingspan. As a matter of fact, it is wingspan that determines how far you can extend your arm from where you are standing in order to put a hand in a player's face, thus making it a more effective determiner of contesting a shot than height.
Besides, even if we take out wingspan and just talk about height vs standing reach, standing reach applies to 17 out of the 21 things I listed and actually is a much more important factor in doing those things well than height since it's standing reach that will determine how close your hands are to either receiving the ball or getting rid of the ball in the way you want to get rid of it in every last one of those situations.
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Lovely.
Ok, so moving onto how Shabazz could fit on this team.
I have a proposal for those who want to bench Dion. If most of you agree that Shabazz could be moved to the 3 for small stretches, then what would it matter if he starts at the 3 then moves to the 2 for most of the game or starts at the 2 and plays the same amount of minutes at the 2 and 3 as the first situation?
It sounds like some of you are suggesting something like this for each game next season:
Kyrie starts and plays 36 minutes at PG
Shabazz starts and plays 24 minutes at SG, but plays 12 minutes at backup SF
Dion plays 24 minutes at backup SG and 12 minutes at backup PG
What about this? I think it would be fine if things were like this for each game:
Kyrie starts and plays 36 minutes at PG
Dion starts and plays 24 minutes at SG, but plays 12 minutes at backup PG
Shabazz starts and plays 12 minutes at SF, but plays 24 minutes at backup SG
The situation I proposed is no different whatsoever in how many minutes each player plays at each position than if Shabazz started at the SG and Dion came off the bench. In both situations, Kyrie is playing 36 minutes at PG, Dion is playing 24 minutes at SG and 12 minutes at PG, and Shabazz is playing 12 minutes at SF and 24 minutes at SG. The only differences are that Shabazz is starting at small forward instead of SG, and Dion is starting at SG instead of playing backup SG and PG.
If anyone is worried about Shabazz starting at the 3, he's still only playing 12 minutes of his time at the 3 and most of his time at the 2 in the situation I proposed.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if Dion came off the bench. I just have a few concerns about that happening.
1. Dion might not like it and want to leave or not play as hard (although he should play his hardest regardless, but it could still happen so I don't want to rule it out)
2. Other teams may look at him as an easier target for free agency and try to target him since he's a bench player
3. He'll be looked at far less seriously for all-star games since rarely do bench players get selected because, even if they are good enough for the all-star team, they'll get underrated because they come off the bench
4. He may get underutilized kinda like I feel happened with Harden
5. Will Kyrie, Dion, and Shabazz all be on the court be on the court at the same time at the end of games?
I just thought that the minute distribution plan I gave might remove those worries although here's one thing: If Shabazz is playing 12 minutes a game at SF, he's probably playing 6 of those minutes at SF each half during the first 6 minutes of each half, and that leaves no room for Scott to play all 3 of Kyrie, Dion, and Shabazz at the end of games at the same time unless Shabazz plays more minutes at SF. I thought of a solution for this: we could do a half-and-half where Dion starts the game, but comes off the bench at the start of the 3rd quarter so he can end the game as well. That way, he's technically a "starter" along with Kyrie and Shabazz, but all 3 of Kyrie, Dion, and Shabazz get to end the game as well
Lots of stuff to think about. I just don't want a James Harden situation to play out with Dion where he only gets 28 minutes per game even when playing at an all-star level (if he gets there). That would be silly, IMO.
Thoughts?
