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Cleveland is 169 miles from Detroit. Less if you take a boat

There is also 6 TV markets smaller than Columbus with NBA teams.

Financially. The Franklin county has a higher median income and lower unemployment than cuyahoga. Deleware county has the largest household median income in the state.
 
You guys are missing the point. There is no disrespect meant towards Columbus. Cleveland - Columbus are close to each other and in the same state. If u go to Cleveland - The loyalty is towards OSU. If you go to Columbus - There is more loyalty towards Cavs. This is cos of the Ohio factor. Adding a rivalry is going to split the market up and also reduce the revenues for the team. That is the reason why I would prefer for things to stay the way they are.
 
I'm trying to think of another "college city" that has been home to a professional sports team.

Can't think of one off the top of my head.....

Doesn't seem like fit to me. Too much overlap between the Ohio State BBall and NBA seasons. I just don't see it as something that makes sense, in terms of gate / draw.

Kansas City (i.e. close to Lawrence) had the Kings for a while. Charlotte is close enough to Chapel Hill/Durham to count. For that matter, IU basketball is king in Indiana.

This is, by the way, why people who say that of course Kobe would've been glad to play in Charlotte because he wanted to go to Duke are wrong; why is Charlotte rarely good, why wasn't KC able to sustain an NBA team, and why does Louisville never seriously get into the NBA relocation/expansion discussions?

I remember on cavfanatic, during the really dark post-7/8/10 days, people were discussing whether the Cavs might move, and a lot of people honestly didn't mind, at least if it were close (I believe Cbus was mentioned.)
 
I would say college sports are big here in Atlanta. Athens, UGA, is about a little over an hour away and Georgia Tech is downtown. Utah also has the Utes in Salt Lake City. The one thing the NBA has done in the past has been to try and go in small markets. San Antonio, Utah, OKC, Sacramento, Portland, Memphis, and Orlando are markets that have only one pro sport team (NBA, NFL, NHL, and MLB). I know there has been some talk that Vancouver has sought the idea of getting a NBA team back.

Most of those small markets have one thing in common...the population growth and market projections are conducive to inserting a new sports team.

OKC is somewhat an exception as Oklahoma as a whole has been growing fairly slowly in population, but the population is becoming much more centralized (much like Columbus/Ohio.)
 
Metropolitan Statistical Areas of the United States of America

Markets in Bold have NBA franchises

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area 2011 Estimate 2010 Census Change Combined Statistical Area
1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island, NY–NJ–PA MSA 19,015,900 18,897,109 +0.63% New York–Newark–Bridgeport, NY–NJ–CT–PA CSA
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana, CA MSA 12,944,801 12,828,837 +0.90% Los Angeles–Long Beach–Riverside, CA CSA
3 Chicago–Joliet–Naperville, IL–IN–WI MSA 9,504,753 9,461,105 +0.46% Chicago–Naperville–Michigan City, IL–IN–WI CSA
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington, TX MSA 6,526,548 6,371,773 +2.43% Dallas–Fort Worth, TX CSA
5 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown, TX MSA 6,086,538 5,946,800 +2.35% Houston–Baytown–Huntsville, TX CSA
6 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington, PA–NJ–DE–MD MSA 5,992,414 5,965,343 +0.45% Philadelphia–Camden–Vineland, PA–NJ–DE–MD CSA
7 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC–VA–MD–WV MSA 5,703,948 5,582,170 +2.18% Washington–Baltimore–Northern Virginia, DC–MD–VA–WV CSA
8 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach, FL MSA 5,670,125 5,564,635 +1.90% primary census statistical area
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta, GA MSA 5,359,205 5,268,860 +1.71% Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Gainesville, GA–AL CSA
10 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy, MA–NH MSA 4,591,112 4,552,402 +0.85% Boston–Worcester–Manchester, MA–RI–NH CSA
11 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, CA MSA 4,391,037 4,335,391 +1.28% San Jose–San Francisco–Oakland, CA CSA

12 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario, CA MSA 4,304,997 4,224,851 +1.90% Los Angeles–Long Beach–Riverside, CA CSA
13 Detroit–Warren–Livonia, MI MSA 4,285,832 4,296,250 −0.24% Detroit–Warren–Flint, MI CSA
14 Phoenix–Mesa–Glendale, AZ MSA 4,262,236 4,192,887 +1.65% primary census statistical area
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA MSA 3,500,026 3,439,809 +1.75% Seattle–Tacoma–Olympia, WA CSA
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington, MN–WI MSA 3,318,486 3,279,833 +1.18% Minneapolis–St. Paul–St. Cloud, MN–WI CSA

17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos, CA MSA 3,140,069 3,095,313 +1.45% primary census statistical area
18 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL MSA 2,824,724 2,783,243 +1.49% primary census statistical area
19 St. Louis, MO–IL MSA 2,817,355 2,812,896 +0.16% St. Louis–St. Charles–Farmington, MO–IL CSA
20 Baltimore–Towson, MD MSA 2,729,110 2,710,489 +0.69% Washington–Baltimore–Northern Virginia, DC–MD–VA–WV CSA
21 Denver–Aurora–Broomfield, CO MSA 2,599,504 2,543,482 +2.20% Denver–Aurora–Boulder, CO CSA
22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA 2,359,746 2,356,285 +0.15% Pittsburgh–New Castle, PA CSA
23 Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro, OR–WA MSA 2,262,605 2,226,009 +1.64% primary census statistical area
24 San Antonio–New Braunfels, TX MSA 2,194,927 2,142,508 +2.45% primary census statistical area
25 Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Roseville, CA MSA 2,176,235 2,149,127 +1.26% Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Yuba City, CA–NV CSA
26 Orlando–Kissimmee–Sanford, FL MSA 2,171,360 2,134,411 +1.73% Orlando–Deltona–Daytona Beach, FL CSA

27 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA 2,138,038 2,130,151 +0.37% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA
28 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA 2,068,283 2,077,240 −0.43% Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA

29 Kansas City, MO-KS MSA 2,052,676 2,035,334 +0.85% Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA
30 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA 1,969,975 1,951,269 +0.96% Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV CSA
31 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA 1,865,450 1,836,911 +1.55% San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA
32 Columbus, OH MSA 1,858,464 1,836,536 +1.19% Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH CSA
33 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC MSA 1,795,472 1,758,038 +2.13% Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA
34 Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX MSA 1,783,519 1,716,289 +3.92% Austin-Round Rock-Marble Falls, TX CSA
35 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN MSA 1,778,568 1,756,241 +1.27% Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN CSA
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA 1,679,894 1,671,683 +0.49% primary census statistical area
37 Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN MSA 1,617,142 1,589,934 +1.71% Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Columbia, TN CSA
38 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA MSA 1,600,224 1,600,852 −0.04% Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA
39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA 1,562,216 1,555,908 +0.41% Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA
40 Jacksonville, FL MSA 1,360,251 1,345,596 +1.09% primary census statistical area
41 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA 1,325,605 1,316,100 +0.72% primary census statistical area
42 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA 1,294,849 1,283,566 +0.88% Louisville/Jefferson County–Elizabethtown–Scottsburg, KY-IN CSA
43 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,278,053 1,252,987 +2.00% Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA
44 Richmond, VA MSA 1,269,380 1,258,251 +0.88% primary census statistical area
45 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA 1,213,255 1,212,381 +0.07% Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT CSA
46 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA MSA 1,191,089 1,167,764 +2.00% New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA CSA
47 Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA 1,163,515 1,130,490 +2.92% Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC CSA
48 Salt Lake City, UT MSA 1,145,905 1,124,197 +1.93% Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT CSA
49 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA 1,134,039 1,135,509 −0.13% Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA
50 Birmingham-Hoover, AL MSA 1,132,264 1,128,047 +0.37% Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman, AL CSA
 
Metropolitan Statistical Areas of the United States of America

Markets in Bold have NBA franchises

Rank Metropolitan Statistical Area 2011 Estimate 2010 Census Change Combined Statistical Area
1 New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island, NY–NJ–PA MSA 19,015,900 18,897,109 +0.63% New York–Newark–Bridgeport, NY–NJ–CT–PA CSA
2 Los Angeles–Long Beach–Santa Ana, CA MSA 12,944,801 12,828,837 +0.90% Los Angeles–Long Beach–Riverside, CA CSA
3 Chicago–Joliet–Naperville, IL–IN–WI MSA 9,504,753 9,461,105 +0.46% Chicago–Naperville–Michigan City, IL–IN–WI CSA
4 Dallas–Fort Worth–Arlington, TX MSA 6,526,548 6,371,773 +2.43% Dallas–Fort Worth, TX CSA
5 Houston–Sugar Land–Baytown, TX MSA 6,086,538 5,946,800 +2.35% Houston–Baytown–Huntsville, TX CSA
6 Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington, PA–NJ–DE–MD MSA 5,992,414 5,965,343 +0.45% Philadelphia–Camden–Vineland, PA–NJ–DE–MD CSA
7 Washington–Arlington–Alexandria, DC–VA–MD–WV MSA 5,703,948 5,582,170 +2.18% Washington–Baltimore–Northern Virginia, DC–MD–VA–WV CSA
8 Miami–Fort Lauderdale–Pompano Beach, FL MSA 5,670,125 5,564,635 +1.90% primary census statistical area
9 Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Marietta, GA MSA 5,359,205 5,268,860 +1.71% Atlanta–Sandy Springs–Gainesville, GA–AL CSA
10 Boston–Cambridge–Quincy, MA–NH MSA 4,591,112 4,552,402 +0.85% Boston–Worcester–Manchester, MA–RI–NH CSA
11 San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, CA MSA 4,391,037 4,335,391 +1.28% San Jose–San Francisco–Oakland, CA CSA

12 Riverside–San Bernardino–Ontario, CA MSA 4,304,997 4,224,851 +1.90% Los Angeles–Long Beach–Riverside, CA CSA
13 Detroit–Warren–Livonia, MI MSA 4,285,832 4,296,250 −0.24% Detroit–Warren–Flint, MI CSA
14 Phoenix–Mesa–Glendale, AZ MSA 4,262,236 4,192,887 +1.65% primary census statistical area
15 Seattle–Tacoma–Bellevue, WA MSA 3,500,026 3,439,809 +1.75% Seattle–Tacoma–Olympia, WA CSA
16 Minneapolis–St. Paul–Bloomington, MN–WI MSA 3,318,486 3,279,833 +1.18% Minneapolis–St. Paul–St. Cloud, MN–WI CSA

17 San Diego–Carlsbad–San Marcos, CA MSA 3,140,069 3,095,313 +1.45% primary census statistical area
18 Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater, FL MSA 2,824,724 2,783,243 +1.49% primary census statistical area
19 St. Louis, MO–IL MSA 2,817,355 2,812,896 +0.16% St. Louis–St. Charles–Farmington, MO–IL CSA
20 Baltimore–Towson, MD MSA 2,729,110 2,710,489 +0.69% Washington–Baltimore–Northern Virginia, DC–MD–VA–WV CSA
21 Denver–Aurora–Broomfield, CO MSA 2,599,504 2,543,482 +2.20% Denver–Aurora–Boulder, CO CSA
22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA 2,359,746 2,356,285 +0.15% Pittsburgh–New Castle, PA CSA
23 Portland–Vancouver–Hillsboro, OR–WA MSA 2,262,605 2,226,009 +1.64% primary census statistical area
24 San Antonio–New Braunfels, TX MSA 2,194,927 2,142,508 +2.45% primary census statistical area
25 Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Roseville, CA MSA 2,176,235 2,149,127 +1.26% Sacramento–Arden–Arcade–Yuba City, CA–NV CSA
26 Orlando–Kissimmee–Sanford, FL MSA 2,171,360 2,134,411 +1.73% Orlando–Deltona–Daytona Beach, FL CSA

27 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA 2,138,038 2,130,151 +0.37% Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA
28 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA 2,068,283 2,077,240 −0.43% Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA

29 Kansas City, MO-KS MSA 2,052,676 2,035,334 +0.85% Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA
30 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA 1,969,975 1,951,269 +0.96% Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV CSA
31 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA 1,865,450 1,836,911 +1.55% San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA
32 Columbus, OH MSA 1,858,464 1,836,536 +1.19% Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH CSA
33 Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC MSA 1,795,472 1,758,038 +2.13% Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA
34 Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX MSA 1,783,519 1,716,289 +3.92% Austin-Round Rock-Marble Falls, TX CSA
35 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN MSA 1,778,568 1,756,241 +1.27% Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN CSA
36 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA 1,679,894 1,671,683 +0.49% primary census statistical area
37 Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN MSA 1,617,142 1,589,934 +1.71% Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Columbia, TN CSA
38 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA MSA 1,600,224 1,600,852 −0.04% Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA
39 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA 1,562,216 1,555,908 +0.41% Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA
40 Jacksonville, FL MSA 1,360,251 1,345,596 +1.09% primary census statistical area
41 Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA 1,325,605 1,316,100 +0.72% primary census statistical area
42 Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA 1,294,849 1,283,566 +0.88% Louisville/Jefferson County–Elizabethtown–Scottsburg, KY-IN CSA
43 Oklahoma City, OK MSA 1,278,053 1,252,987 +2.00% Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA
44 Richmond, VA MSA 1,269,380 1,258,251 +0.88% primary census statistical area
45 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA 1,213,255 1,212,381 +0.07% Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT CSA
46 New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA MSA 1,191,089 1,167,764 +2.00% New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA CSA
47 Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA 1,163,515 1,130,490 +2.92% Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC CSA
48 Salt Lake City, UT MSA 1,145,905 1,124,197 +1.93% Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT CSA
49 Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA 1,134,039 1,135,509 −0.13% Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA
50 Birmingham-Hoover, AL MSA 1,132,264 1,128,047 +0.37% Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman, AL CSA

Fixed it for ya. so by this chart . There is 7 markets smaller than Columbus
 
Fixed it for ya. so by this chart . There is 7 markets smaller than Columbus

and of those 7 markets none are really in close proximity to another competing market

Seattle , Vancouver, Anaheim will be considered for franchises before Columbus

hell St Louis or Kansas city would be better choices
 
I kind of have this dislike of Columbus, pro-sports wise. Not sure I have a problem with them as a party town.

They get the Jackets, and don't market them, nor even try to present the team up in the Akron/Canton/Cleveland area.

Columbus though is..not, nor will it ever be a pro-sports town. The Bucks have such a stranglehold on them that it's really not even up for discussion.

Now, Northern Kentucky/Cincy? Different story! Would be very welcome at the idea of a return of the Kentucky Colonels. Would think that a rivalry with them would be great.
 
I kinda prefer having the NHL and MLS in C-Bus while Cleveland has the NFL, NBA, and MLB. I don't want to have to start hating Columbus, as I live there. But if Cleveland got an NHL team (not happenin') I'd be more for it. As long as they weren't playing the Cavs I'd still likely support a team if it came.
 
and of those 7 markets none are really in close proximity to another competing market

Seattle , Vancouver, Anaheim will be considered for franchises before Columbus

hell St Louis or Kansas city would be better choices

wrong again. charlotte is 70 miles away from atlanta.

come on guys theres no market reason for Columbus not having a team.

Theres no financial reason for columbus not having a team.

The Columbus is too close to Cleveland is not really an obstacle either.


Once again regardless of whether Columbus actually gets a team They are in a solid position to put their name in the hat.

They have a suitable arena owned by the city. A growing vibrant downtown district and a relatively healthy economy.

At least one guy was honest enough to admit why he didnt want columbus to have a team. He was afraid they would cut into the Cavs revenue.

yes there are other cities in a good position to host an NBA team.

the rest are just myths and misconceptions

- Columbus has a Hockey team therfore could not support an NBA team - False
- Columbus doesnt have the TV market to support an NBa Franchise - False
- Columbus doesnt have the population to support an NBA team.- False
- Columbus with OSU doesnt have the fan dollars to support an NBA franchise - False

but lets look at the competition

Tampa, St Louis, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,Cincinnati, Kansas City, Las Vegas. San diego, Austin and Nashville .

Columbus may not be a front runner but they certainly will be in the running.
 
wrong again. charlotte is 70 miles away from atlanta.

What the hell are you talking about? The entire state of South Carolina separates Charlotte from Atlanta, and then you have to drive halfway through Georgia to get to ATL. It is at least a 4 hour drive, probably even more.
 
wrong again. charlotte is 70 miles away from atlanta.

come on guys theres no market reason for Columbus not having a team.

Theres no financial reason for columbus not having a team.

The Columbus is too close to Cleveland is not really an obstacle either.


Once again regardless of whether Columbus actually gets a team They are in a solid position to put their name in the hat.

They have a suitable arena owned by the city. A growing vibrant downtown district and a relatively healthy economy.

At least one guy was honest enough to admit why he didnt want columbus to have a team. He was afraid they would cut into the Cavs revenue.

yes there are other cities in a good position to host an NBA team.

the rest are just myths and misconceptions

- Columbus has a Hockey team therfore could not support an NBA team - False
- Columbus doesnt have the TV market to support an NBa Franchise - False
- Columbus doesnt have the population to support an NBA team.- False
- Columbus with OSU doesnt have the fan dollars to support an NBA franchise - False

but lets look at the competition

Tampa, St Louis, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,Cincinnati, Kansas City, Las Vegas. San diego, Austin and Nashville .

Columbus may not be a front runner but they certainly will be in the running.

I'm amazed how many words you have dedicated to being so inextricably wrong.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/05/obstacles_abound_as_columbus_a.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Columbus Mayor Michael B. Coleman wants to bring an NBA team to a capital city in which college football talk is always in season and its two primary professional sports franchises are struggling to attract fans.

While luring an existing franchise to Central Ohio would be easier than convincing Ohio State to add splashes of maize and blue to its uniforms, the mayor likely faces a difficult challenge.
"I think it's a longshot," Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert told The Plain Dealer. "And I know it won't be the Cavaliers."

As first reported by the Columbus Dispatch, the mayor's office sent NBA Commissioner David Stern a letter last week expressing interest in wooing an existing franchise or adding an expansion one. The plan would be to house a basketball team in Nationwide Arena, which also is home to the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets.

The city and Franklin County purchased the venue late last year for $42.5 million. Adding a second major tenant would be boon to an Arena District which also includes the Columbus Clippers, the Indians' Class AAA minor-league affiliate.

Having a 12-year-old, NBA-ready arena is an appealing asset, but there are many obstacles to clear before LeBron James and Kobe Bryant are making regular appearances in Columbus. NBA vice president of communications Tim Frank wrote in an email the league has no plans to expand the 30-team league and none of its members have applied for relocation.

Gilbert added that some believe there already are too many teams in the NBA. Any franchise relocation would need the blessing of league owners and it's hard to imagine Gilbert supporting a Columbus bid given its proximity to Cleveland. The Cavaliers have routinely played preseason games in Columbus.

The Cavaliers owner, a member of the NBA labor relations committee, said he would be closely involved in any negotiations if it got to the point where Columbus became a viable candidate.

The only NBA franchise threatening possible relocation is the Sacramento Kings. The club's owners and city officials are squabbling over funding for a potential new arena. Seattle, which lost its NBA franchise to Oklahoma City in 2008, and Anaheim, Calif., are the cities most often mentioned as possible suitors for the Kings.

Gilbert believes the Maloof family, which owns the Kings, wants to remain in Sacramento.

In his letter to Stern, obtained by the Dispatch, Coleman wrote the arena is "on sound financial footing" and that Columbus "has demonstrated it has the fan and corporate support to make an NBA franchise successful." The census estimates the Columbus metro population at 1.9 million residents -- larger than seven NBA cities.

But in a region devoted to Buckeyes' football, the Blue Jackets and Columbus Crew, of Major League Soccer, have had trouble drawing fans in recent years. The Blue Jackets ranked 27th in attendance the past two seasons in the 30-team NHL. They drew just 14,440 fans this past season, in which the club finished last in the standings.

Some observers believe at least part of the motive behind Coleman's letter is to spur the perpetually under-performing Blue Jackets, who required assistance from the city and county to resolve its arena lease issues. The Blue Jackets, who will host next season's NHL All-Star Game, have qualified for the playoffs only once in their 11-season existence. The hockey club might bristle at the idea of the city campaigning for an NBA team, but as Coleman's letter suggests, the Blue Jackets no longer call all the shots in their own building.

Lack of winning hasn't been an issue for the city's pro soccer team. The Crew, which captured an MLS title four years ago and has qualified for the playoffs in each of the past three seasons, nevertheless was next to last in league attendance (12,185) in 2011. Its crowds have improved to start the current season.

Meanwhile, in NBA cities around Columbus the league is becoming a tougher sell. The Cavaliers, Indiana Pacers, Milwaukee Bucks, Detroit Pistons and Memphis Grizzlies all finished among the league's bottom 11 teams in attendance this past season. The Pacers ranked 29th (14,168) despite owning the Eastern Conference's third-best record.

Pacers coach Frank Vogel recently told The Plain Dealer that teams in small markets like Indianapolis need consistent success to engage the fan base.

"It comes with winning and it usually comes after winning," Vogel said. "I have been very active in the community since I took over as head coach [last season] and we have a great deal of fan support.

"There are exceptions, but if you don't have a winning product on the court, they are not going to be excited to watch you. So it goes hand and hand."
 
I'm amazed how many words you have dedicated to being so inextricably wrong.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/05/obstacles_abound_as_columbus_a.html

wrong on which count.

I said there was 7 teams with smaller markets than Columbus in the NBA.

so does the article.

I said that Coleman wasnt expecting a team anytime soon.... the article seems to indicate that they arent expecting to recieve a franchise right away.

I never said that Dan Gilbert would ever be a supporter of a columbus franchise.

I stated that The clippers are one of the top attendance teams in the triple AAA. this is true and was never mentioned.

I never said anything about Soccer cept Columbus doesnt really care about it.

i said the city owns the Arena.. which they do.

Okay Atlanta and Charlotte are less than 250 miles. I exaggerated there.

let the blue Jackets get to the playoffs a couple years. see what kind of attendance they get then.

Nowhere in your response does it say that Columbus doesnt have the tv market to support a franchise.

nowhere does it show that columbus fans couldnt afford financially to attend NBA games .

It certainly does show that Columbus does have the population to merit consideration.

as far as Sacremento. they would be moving in the next year r so if they did. so i omitted Anaheim and Seattle from the list. hardly wrong on all counts.
 
Just move the Hawks already.
 
I'm tired of people using the blue jackets as a way to prove Columbus can't support an NBA team. Yeah they have had shitty attendance the last 2 years, but we supported the hell out of them for the first 8 years of their miserable existence. 1 Playoff appearance in a decade is awful, and the fans shouldn't support shit like that. If any professional team (Soccer doesn't count) comes here and they aren't run by a bunch of jackasses then we will support them.
 

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