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Sadly, the world is driven by egos, even someone who is hypocritically humble is ego driven. So when this is the ground you walk on and work with, I can hardly see a coach who want to be successful, and we can all agree that it's not by mistake that Blatt is the first coach to break this Euro/NBA barrier, he must have big balls and a huge ego to not only survive but to strive.

And regard the surgeon example - I gave it a try ;)

Right on, bro... fair enough! ;)
 
If NBA coaching is so vastly superior to international coaching, I wonder why failed NBA coaches don't just go to Europe and win multiple Euroleague championships while making way more money than they would make as assistants here.

If you've got millions of dollars in the bank and can still work in and around the NBA, it'd probably be preferable for yourself, your family and your career not to move out of the country.

Americans aren't generally prone to work internationally and live in foreign countries; especially not ones with wives and children.

Trust me, I work internationally all the time and personally love it; but my wife is a foreigner, and she hates it. My ex won't even let me take my kids out of the country, to Asia or Europe, because "fuck that..."

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This point is also interesting: reverse your question.

If international titles were so important, why don't American coaches care to obtain them?
 
If you've got millions of dollars in the bank and can still work in and around the NBA, it'd probably be preferable for yourself, your family and your career not to move out of the country.

Americans aren't generally prone to work internationally and live in foreign countries; especially not ones with wives and children.

Trust me, I work internationally all the time and personally love it; but my wife is a foreigner, and she hates it. My ex won't even let me take my kids out of the country, to Asia or Europe, because "fuck that..."

p.s.
This point is also interesting: reverse your question.

If international titles were so important, why don't American coaches care to obtain them?

Or maybe clubs like Barcelona, CSKA, Maccabi, etc. would never in a million years offer the HC job to someone like Paul Westphal, Mike Brown, Derek Fisher, or even Steve Kerr at this point in his career. Yes, there are coaches who would prefer to stay at home, but the fact is that failed NBA coaches never get offers from Europe. Failed NBA players absolutely get offers from good European teams because because the gap in player talent between the NBA and Europe is such that players who don't make it in the NBA have a chance to be good in Europe (although that is not guaranteed by any means). Coaches like Alvin Gentry, Paul Westphal, Dwane Casey, and Mark Jackson literally have nothing to offer a top Euroleague team and would never be considered for the job.
 
Or maybe clubs like Barcelona, CSKA, Maccabi, etc. would never in a million years offer the HC job to someone like Paul Westphal, Mike Brown, Derek Fisher, or even Steve Kerr at this point in his career. Yes, there are coaches who would prefer to stay at home, but the fact is that failed NBA coaches never get offers from Europe. Failed NBA players absolutely get offers from good European teams because because the gap in player talent between the NBA and Europe is such that players who don't make it in the NBA have a chance to be good in Europe (although that is not guaranteed by any means). Coaches like Alvin Gentry, Paul Westphal, Dwane Casey, and Mark Jackson literally have nothing to offer a top Euroleague team and would never be considered for the job.

Mike Brown might have a hard time getting a job at McDonald's at this point.

But Mark Jackson gets a lot of flack for no reason and surely does not belong on this list of "failed NBA coaches." He was fired for personal reasons, not basketball reasons, and the vast majority of the team wanted him to stay.

Golden State was successful under Jackson; Kerr didn't just walk in and completely 180 the team, that's nonsense, and not only have the players but Jackson and Kerr themselves addressed the issue repeatedly.

And while I agree, Jackson likely wouldn't be successful in Europe because his style of coaching is through relating to the players, which frankly, is exactly what Blatt seems incapable of doing. I don't think Jackson's Christ-oriented approach would work in Europe; but that doesn't mean he's somehow incapable of adjusting.
 
I don't believe for an instant that former NBA coaches couldn't land jobs in Europe.

Mark Jackson could give 2 shits about CSKA Moscow or Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Either club would drool at the opportunity to hire him.
 
I think this argument is not that black and white like you guys seem to make it, but rather something in-between.

Is 20 years of coaching internationally equivalent to 20 years in the NBA? Definitely no, There are many aspects that are different and/or lacking in the Euro game as you guys have already described, So any coach making the transition will have a learning curve and some tweaks to do to his coaching style.

On the other hand is 20 years of successful EURO coaching equivalent to no NBA coaching? OOH NO, Come on! do you want to tell me that mediocre coaches That coached for 3-4 or whatever amount of years in the NBA and were fired multiple times, are less "rookie" than a WINNING multiple title long term Euro coach???

So arguing about the term ROOKIE is getting a bit caught up in meaningless rhetoric rather than focusing on content.

And as far as content is concerned, IMHO a successful vs less successful coach is based on a long list of qualifications and experiences that include multiple categories such as (just to name some) leadership, charisma, general wisdom, BB IQ, general coaching experience, actual game coaching experience, and the list goes on and on.
So the long experienced winning Euro coach will come in scoring high on most of the categories but lacking some in a few fields that are related to actual NBA coaching, while some of the NBA coaches might score higher in those few categories, but will be scoring much lower in the majority of the fields, what leaves the Euro coach with a higher qualification in the bottom line.
Hope my point is clear.
 
I don't believe for an instant that former NBA coaches couldn't land jobs in Europe.

Mark Jackson could give 2 shits about CSKA Moscow or Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Either club would drool at the opportunity to hire him.

This...
 
I think this argument is not that black and white like you guys seem to make it, but rather something in-between.

Is 20 years of coaching internationally equivalent to 20 years in the NBA? Definitely no, There are many aspects that are different and/or lacking in the Euro game as you guys have already described, So any coach making the transition will have a learning curve and some tweaks to do to his coaching style.

On the other hand is 20 years of successful EURO coaching equivalent to no NBA coaching? OOH NO, Come on! do you want to tell me that mediocre coaches That coached for 3-4 or whatever amount of years in the NBA and were fired multiple times, are less "rookie" than a WINNING multiple title long term Euro coach???

So arguing about the term ROOKIE is getting a bit caught up in meaningless rhetoric rather than focusing on content.

And as far as content is concerned, IMHO a successful vs less successful coach is based on a long list of qualifications and experiences that include multiple categories such as (just to name some) leadership, charisma, general wisdom, BB IQ, general coaching experience, actual game coaching experience, and the list goes on and on.
So the long experienced winning Euro coach will come in scoring high on most of the categories but lacking some in a few fields that are related to actual NBA coaching, while some of the NBA coaches might score higher in those few categories, but will be scoring much lower in the majority of the fields, what leaves the Euro coach with a higher qualification in the bottom line.
Hope my point is clear.

Would it surprise you that most of the players and coaches and staff in the NBA give two shits about European basketball? Like literally, they don't care?

Is that shocking, or, are you generally aware of how Americans view international basketball clubs as being vastly inferior?

Honestly curious.

(p.s., I'm an advocate of bringing some Euro concepts to the NBA; I liked the Blatt hire.)
 
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Would it surprise you that most of the players and coaches and staff in the NBA give two shits about European basketball? Like literally, they don't care?

Is that shocking, or, are you generally aware of how Americans view international basketball clubs as being vastly inferior?

Honestly curious.

OK you might be right, now what does that have to do with what i wrote?
Honestly curious. :)
 
I'm sorry but you guys saying Israeli basketball is not at the same level as the NBA are INSANE and are just hating on Blatt.

Put it this way; the mid-ranked team in the Israeli top league right now is Ironi Ness Ziona. An enormous metropolis of 38,000 people, that could fill the Q almost TWO TIMES! (tragically there is only room for 1,200 of them in Ness Ziona's state of the art arena). To give you some idea of the massive budget teams, I have attached a picture of the city. Bare in mind the houses you see in the background are other towns, it's just the wee lump in the middle.

http://imageshack.com/a/img907/8417/9GvV6I.jpg

THIS IS THE CALIBRE OF TEAMS BLATT WAS BEATING WEEK IN WEEK OUT. AND YOU TELL ME HIS EXPERIENCE WASN'T NBA LEVEL!!

Okay, okay... of course the examples are unfair and of course Blatt also had big accomplishments with Russia and in Europe with Maccabi and others..... but there is also a reality that on a day to day basis, Blatt was matching up NCAA calibre players against each other.

Now I'm the biggest Blatt fan imaginable. I watch every game purely because of pride in watching our guy do it in the NBA, even though if someone had asked me what Mozgov was 6 months ago I'd have guessed a hair product. But anyone refusing to recognize the ENORMOUS gulf in talent between Europe and the NBA is delusional (yes and I know Real Madrid and CSKA et al are the real comparisons, not Ness Ziona). The fact is it's just about every European player's dream to make it to the NBA, and it's an NBA players (with some exceptions) last resort to go to Europe. It's a simple fact, and it's also a fact that European stars (by which I mean European by playing experience not nationality) (Mekel, Casspi et al) USUALLY (but not always) become fringe players at NBA level.

So yes, Blatt absolutely is a rookie coach, just like you'd call someone moving from a college team (many of which have better squads and bigger crowds than Euro teams) a rookie coach too. And that's not a reflection of their ABILITY is a reflection of their TYPE (not length) of experience.

Now that being said, Blatt succeeded wherever he went. Russia, Israel, Italy etc... and it's absolutely right that just as a player lighting it up gets his shot at the NBA, so should Europe's best coach. Eventually if you win everywhere you go, there is no reason to believe you wouldn't do it at a progressively higher level. Blatt should be embracing his status as an NBA rookie, why does it have to be seen as a negative at all? If anything - it's a positive; we know he has exceptional raw ability, and this status gives him the time to adapt.

Think about it relative to soccer (it hurt be greatly to use that word when my heart is screaming FOOTBALL dammit!). Jose Mourinho. Probably recognized by all neutrals as the best coach in the sport. He first coaching job was a 3rd division Portuguese side. There were no egos, no stars and the opposition was equally terrible. But he won, and won and won, then he got his shot (after winning the Champions League with Porto) with Chelsea, and then Real Madrid. At each stage it would have been easy to say "yeah well look what he as up against", BUT YOU CAN ONLY BEAT WHO IS IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!

If you look at Blatt and Mourniho's coaching trajectories, they're eerily similar. Both starting at provincial teams, then won major European tournaments with relatively underfunded teams, and then got their shots at the big time (and they're both pretty arrogant - though I think that's a good thing).

So I'm bored of Israeli/Maccabi fans (I'm both too) harping on about Blatt's achievements to date, because we can't know that it will translate into managing the circus of egos and attention that is the NBA, and we can't know that he's basketball's Mourinho. But we can know he's been given the shot and now to just judge it on its merits. And right now he's clearly doing well with a team in transition, but he's also on a learning curve- AND THAT'S OKAY!!
 
I'm surprised this conversation has lasted this long...

I thought it was universally known and accepted that the NBA is the best league, by far, on Earth. Highest talent level, and it's considered to have the best coaches. I thought it was a basic known fact. No other international league can compare.

And LOL @ someone pulling up exhibition scores between NBA teams and international teams :chuckle:
 
OK you might be right, now what does that have to do with what i wrote?
Honestly curious. :)

Because Americans don't view it the same way you do, and it's an American league?

We do not (most of us) consider international basketball remotely comparable to our own... That's why we don't watch it...
 
I'm surprised this conversation has lasted this long...

I thought it was universally known and accepted that the NBA is the best league, by far, on Earth. Highest talent level, and it's considered to have the best coaches. I thought it was a basic known fact. No other international league can compare.

And LOL @ someone pulling up exhibition scores between NBA teams and international teams :chuckle:

I don't think I read one single post on this thread claiming Euro ball is equivalent to the NBA, That would be insane.
The discussion is if Euro coaching experience is relevant and qualifying in the NBA, and how much so.
 
I'm surprised this conversation has lasted this long...

I thought it was universally known and accepted that the NBA is the best league, by far, on Earth. Highest talent level, and it's considered to have the best coaches. I thought it was a basic known fact. No other international league can compare.

And LOL @ someone pulling up exhibition scores between NBA teams and international teams :chuckle:

I'll take Pini Gershon, Zeliko Obradovich and Ettore Messina(who is Pop's assistant) over most of NBA's coaches except Pop and Rivers(and Blatt). Best coaches in the world are in the NBA? don't make me laugh. Best players? Ofcurse, by far.
 
I feel like this thread has devolved into arguing about semantics. Is he a rookie head coach? No, because he has a wealth of international experience and success. Is he a rookie NBA coach? Yes, because he has never coached in this league before and we all knew it's an entirely different animal.

Honestly, who the hell cares? The guy seems to have gotten through to the team and has his guys on an upswing. He has us playing title contender level basketball in March, so I don't care how many years he has under his belt and where those years were spent.

At this point, I'm waiting to see how Blatt handles playoff rotations/game adjustments before I really dig further into how he compares strategy wise to other top NBA coaches.
 
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