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DeAndre Liggins Waived

Discussion in 'Around The NBA' started by cavsfever, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. cavsfever

    cavsfever All-Star

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    I don't think he has one -- mods feel free to delete this if he does.

    Some observations about Mr. Liggins:

    --it's early yet, but the coaching staff seems to be favoring him over McRae. Liggins got 12 minutes against the Knicks, including during some real action, while McRae just got 6 minutes of garbage time. Per Vardon, Liggins will take the lead role in filling in for Shumpert.

    --Liggins has a reputation as a defensive stopper but a bad shooter. Unclear whether he has a three point shot even if wide open?

    --Liggins seems to play more within himself and balanced than McRae does and is a solid ball handler. Not sure about his basketball IQ as a distributor/PG though.

    --Unfortunately Liggins will turn 29 this season, so even if he turns out to be pretty good it seems like his upside is limited and he does not represent an injection of youth for the years to come.

    Here is a scouting report from a couple of years ago:

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeAndre-Liggins-5098/

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  2. Nphan

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    If Liggins can give the Cavs what Shumpert provided, it might be time to trade him and Mcrae for Rubio.
     
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    thedarkness2332 The Official Ass-Slap Guy

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    He was actually a 43% 3-Point shooter in the D-League last year on 4.2 attempts per game, and he's been around 38% average on his career. So, not a bad shooter. Just not a great creator.

    DPOY in the D-League, so I think the hope is that he can be a true 3 and D player, while knowing his role.
     
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  4. Gus Zing

    Gus Zing NBA Starter

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    I'd try to keep McRae if possible.
     
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    I really doubt Minnesota would accept a Shumpert and McRae for Rubio offer. Unless either Shumpert or McRae shows more than they have, in which case we would be reluctant to make the offer.
     
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    If he can shoot anywhere near that, and build on what he has shown defensively, we gotta keep him. They are going to need all the wing defenders they can muster to repeat.
     
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  7. Walter White

    Walter White Hall-of-Famer

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    I believe he could be good. He has the tools. Spurs would probably turn him into a star :chuckle:

    He was basically forced to play last game because of Shump's injury. But, I hope the team has realized by now that Shump can't play back up PG. So Liggins should get a legit shot at back up PG, along with Felder, but especially while Felder is down he has his chance.

    And Liggins getting minutes over Mcrae doesn't mean we like Liggins more than Mcrae or that he is better. It just means Liggins is more fit for back up PG. Which is true. Liggins is more of a PG and Mcrae is more of an SG. Mcrae has handles and would be better at PG than Shump, but it isn't ideal for Mcrae as we have experimented with it plenty in summer league and preseason. But still doesn't make sense why we would put Shump at PG when he is even less suited than Mcrae, but I suppose we have to give him a chance and are searching for ways to better utilize Shump's talent and get him more minutes.

    But for Liggins, a 6'6 athletic PG who can play defense and has a solid three shot is very promising. It could very well be worth developing him. Whether he can adjust and excel at the NBA level on a consistent basis is the real test. We will see if he has the necessary skill.
     
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    Rumor was that Minn coach wanted Shumpert. and Minn wants to get rid of Rubio contract.
     
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    mhi I Still Believeā„¢

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    Honestly, we can do better. Like someone said, at 27yrs old he is NOT a developmental player.

    I guess he's Shump insurance. If you a squint hard enough you might the ghost of Shump in his game.
     
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    Liggins is insurance against Shumpert, which is important since Shump is always hurt, filling the role as a low usage, defensive oriented player. Key for him will be whether he can hit open 3s at a rate the opposition needs to respect. He's not a point guard, but he is at least going to pass the ball and he has a better handle than Shump.

    The chance he succeeds in this role is surely much greater than McRae succeeding in his role.

    And this talk of a Shump for Rubio trade is not based on any rumor and makes absolutely no sense. Dan Feldman suggested a 3 way deal that would land Darren Collison in Cleveland (with Rubio going to SAC and Shump to Minny) and that makes marginally more sense from a talent and fit perspective, but I can't see the Cavs interested in Collison given his issues.
     
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    I agree. He's somewhat of a finished product at this point in his career, but he's that prime example of a guy who had weaknesses (and still does) coming out of college but has taken a lot of time to work on his game and excel at certain areas.

    He's ready for his opportunity. I think, as long as he plays within his role, his strengths are exactly what we can use. His length will make him a valuable wing defender, and if he hits open 3's, it's a perfect fit. Dare I say, he's the type of guy that may get light minutes against Golden State, purely for his defense and athleticism.
     
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    I really don't think Liggins is a point guard. In fact, I think if we try to make him one, he is going to fail miserably and it's not fair to him--because he does have a potential role.

    What he is: A long shooting guard who is a very good defender, and can make open threes off assists from our creators. This would work well if he's getting burn with LeBron and Kyrie (or even 2nd unit with Love, who is a great passer out of the block).

    What he lacks at an NBA level: Shot creation. He's not the type of guy adept at creating a shot for himself or others. He's done it at times as a "point-forward" at the D-League level, and he has been a turnover machine as a result (4.4 TO/game 2015/2016 season). Now, that's not to say he's a poor passer. He was a decent passer at the D-League level. But, he's not an NBA point guard or ball-handler.

    McRae can create for himself, but is very poor at doing it for others. McRae isn't the type of player that has a role on a good team. Liggins just might, by playing defense, hustling, making the extra pass, and burying open threes.
     
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    All I have to say is that I like Liggins a hell of a lot better than McRae. It would be great if we could use McRae+ to get a real backup PG.
     
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    Based on the limited action I've seen from him and his career to this point, I don't think he is an NBA player.
     
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    Maybe, but he was the best fit for the Cavaliers in the D League. He has value in perimeter and help defense, he is solid in transition, unlike McCrae he doesn't need to hoist a shot per minute to bring value. On a team without draft picks, D League is found money.
     
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