DeMarcus Cousins

[Pioneer10]

I think he knows the game well, he's a good coach at an X's and O's standpoint, but we're seeing first hand why he's so limited.

He's not willing to bend, or at least compromise with this prima donna type sense of entitlement these superstars have.

And look, maybe Karl has a valid point, that they all act like entitled jackasses. It's definitely possible, but this is part of the NBA culture. Maybe this wasn't the case when he was growing up playing in the league.

I often see this old school mentality clash with this new school so often.

But it is what it is, you're not going to change an entire culture, just because you think its wrong.

You either adapt, or you die. And apparently Karl is never going to adapt, so he's never going to go very far in this league because of it.

Maybe but Ray Allen? The dude is a consummate professional from what's reported around the league. Plays hard, practices hard, etc. Karl seems to burn out everybody he played with

 

[godfather]

Maybe but Ray Allen? The dude is a consummate professional from what's reported around the league. Plays hard, practices hard, etc. Karl seems to burn out everybody he played with

It's not good for Karl, no argument there.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I think he knows the game well, he's a good coach at an X's and O's standpoint, but we're seeing first hand why he's so limited.

He's not willing to bend, or at least compromise with this prima donna type sense of entitlement these superstars have.

And look, maybe Karl has a valid point, that they all act like entitled jackasses. It's definitely possible, but this is part of the NBA culture. Maybe this wasn't the case when he was growing up playing in the league.

I often see this old school mentality clash with this new school so often.

But it is what it is, you're not going to change an entire culture, just because you think its wrong.

You either adapt, or you die. And apparently Karl is never going to adapt, so he's never going to go very far in this league because of it.

Karl has over 1000 NBA wins and was a former Team USA coach. Your assassment of Karl "not going far in this league" has no merit.

And Boogie's value is way higher than Kevin Love? Well....we'll agree to disagree on that.

 

[godfather]

Karl has over 1000 NBA wins and was a former Team USA coach. Your assassment of Karl "not going far in this league" has no merit.

And Boogie's value is way higher than Kevin Love? Well....we'll agree to disagree on that.

And won how many titles? Dude, winning a 1000 NBA games isn't exactly the greatest accomplishment in the world, when you've been coaching for about 30 years, or however long he's been doing this.

You can disagree all you want, doesn't make the fact a 24 year old center, with Cousins talent, is going to have more value than Kevin Love on the market.

And you really think right now, Kevin Love, coming off a questionable year by many, the injuries he has, seriously has more value on a trade market than a healthy 24 year old center?

I don't think you understand what teams value if you feel that way.

 

[mrbeaks]

Bump.

Will he be traded?

Would you trade Love for him? (@gourimoko 's conversation idea)

Could we maybe even see a 3 team trade?

Cavs get: Cousins, Gay
Lakers get: Love
Kings get: Haywood, #2 overall pick, other picks & fillers

If the Lakers are eager to create more Clippers fans, this is a fantastic idea! And if Love had difficulty fitting in with LeBron, imagine how much fun he'd have playing second fiddle during Kobe's farewell tour?

Kings evidently want proven talent, so I don't think they'd go for this either. I'm beginning to think this ends with no trade and Karl getting fired.

 

[Surge]

Crazy to me that Demarcus Cousins wouldn't have been brought up before Karl was hired.

I mean that's basically the only conversation the Kings GM should have had before going to ownership with the idea to hire anyone.

You'd think they would have all been on the same page before the hire was made, yet it all seems like they just realized they'd have to embrace Boogie.

They are dumb for not building around him and give him the LeNron treatment. He's a stud.

 

[Snarly]

Crazy to me that Demarcus Cousins wouldn't have been brought up before Karl was hired.

I mean that's basically the only conversation the Kings GM should have had before going to ownership with the idea to hire anyone.

You'd think they would have all been on the same page before the hire was made, yet it all seems like they just realized they'd have to embrace Boogie.

They are dumb for not building around him and give him the LeNron treatment. He's a stud.

LeNron Jomes. Sorry I am one to talk but that name made me laugh. I agree 100% percent with you though.

 

[RealKingsFan]

Crazy to me that Demarcus Cousins wouldn't have been brought up before Karl was hired.

I mean that's basically the only conversation the Kings GM should have had before going to ownership with the idea to hire anyone.

You'd think they would have all been on the same page before the hire was made, yet it all seems like they just realized they'd have to embrace Boogie.

They are dumb for not building around him and give him the LeNron treatment. He's a stud.

That'd be true, if the GM that hired George Karl was still in the Sacramento Kings Front Office instead of in Denver. Vlade Divac was not in place when Karl was hired so they haven't had as much time to communicate as you'd hope and that is key when establishing a franchise's guidelines for their roster.

Vlade is all in on Cousins, like you seem to be wanting them to be. Kings have a fresh front office once again, so its not like the thought process is the same as it was with PDA and Mullin in there.

However you are right that the Front Office is in turmoil and recovery mode and you are completely right that we are "dumb", however I trust that Vlade will have everyone on the same page and focusing on building around Demarcus Cousins.

 

[Surge]

That'd be true, if the GM that hired George Karl was still in the Sacramento Kings Front Office instead of in Denver. Vlade Divac was not in place when Karl was hired so they haven't had as much time to communicate as you'd hope and that is key when establishing a franchise's guidelines for their roster.

Vlade is all in on Cousins, like you seem to be wanting them to be. Kings have a fresh front office once again, so its not like the thought process is the same as it was with PDA and Mullin in there.

However you are right that the Front Office is in turmoil and recovery mode and you are completely right that we are "dumb", however I trust that Vlade will have everyone on the same page and focusing on building around Demarcus Cousins.

I am blown away most nights that I got to watch Boogie play. I don't understand why he isn't the center of the Kings universe.

Why would anyone not be on board with him? I know he can be a knucklehead at times, but the talent is amazing. If the Kings can grow a winning environment, I'm sure some of the antics would die down.

 

[Mdog1]

I remember, maybe falsely, that we had interest in trying to move up in the draft to darft Cousins years ago.

We don't have much ammo at this point, and our only shot at getting him would be a 3 team trade, but at the cost of Love? Not sure he is worth that honestly. Love is very important because of his shooting,and it's not like we have a scrub at C currently.

If we could get him without losing KL, then I am all in on it, if not, then I would hate the move personally.

Edit: OKC is a possibility for a 3 team trade. So is NOP. A trade that could work for all teams involved, would basically be Gordon, Haywood, Cousins. NOP throws in their pick, we throw in the 2 we can (including this years). Maybe swing Delly to one of them, if it looks like Mo Williams is going to be on our team.

KI/Mo
Shump/JR
LeBron/JR
KL/TT
Boogie/Moz

With Andy in there too. It's kind of too bad we couldn't come anwhere near the 27ish million to get both Gay and Cousins. I would love to hear announcers say Gay Love Cousins everytime the three of them checked in.

 

[The Red Viper]

I will keep Love.

Boogie might well be a better player than Love. I don't think he is, but that is debatable. But, no way he is going to be a better fit for this team than Love. He would just clog the pain further and want more touches.

People complained about how we aren't feeding Love enough in the post. Boogie would need much more touches because unlike Love, he won't be able to do a lot away from the paint. And, even when Love wasn't getting as many touches as he would have hoped for, he still played hard. Boogie being the primadonna that he is, will start throwing his toys out of the pram. So, due to that alone and the fact that he is prone to getting technicals for fun which would be a big worry in playoffs is the reason, I wouldn't trade him for Love.

We don't need to worry about our stars. They are perfect. Love is the perfect complementary star for LeBron and Kyrie. Can't think of a better option who would complement LeBron and Kyrie more than Love. I mean, there are KD, Curry and AD, but that ain't happening. Its the supporting pieces around them we need to work upon. Resign everyone and just get a decent small forward as LeBron's back-up as well as a point guard who can create for himself as well as others. We will twat everyone in the league then.

 

[Rich]

Two teams that, I think, have the ammo to get something done that most people aren't mentioning. Orlando and Utah. If Utah were to offer a rebuilding team say, Dante Exum+Rudy Gobert and this years draft pick, that's a pretty solid haul. Same on Orlando's end if they offered up Vucevic+Aaron Gordon and their pick this year. The Lakers problem is they are lacking that extra young player. Randle hasn't proven anything, so he's basically comparable to Exum or Gordon, with varying degrees depending on how you feel about each of those players as prospects. But add in a guy like Gobert who showed out the second half last year or Vucevic, and now Sacramento has a prospect + a proven young commodity with (hopefully) lots of room to still grow and a lottery pick.

And I think that's the type of deal it will take to get Cousins (plus the necessary throw in contracts to get salaries to match). A really good draft pick, a proven young commodity, and another top end prospect. That's more than Minnesota got for Love (draft pick + young prospect), but Cousins has more value due to the fact he's under contract for multiple years to come.

And still, are either of those offers enough? Cousins has the talent to be the best center since Shaq. There is no reason he can't eclipse Dwight Howard at his peak. So it might take even more. If I'm Orlando, I do it. I put Cousins with Oladipo and try like hell to keep Harris and see how far that takes me in the East. If I'm Utah....I'm a little slow to move Gobert. But Cousins has sooo much talent and the ability to be a truly dominant center on offense that will completely own this league with it's lack of good big men. How does our resident Kings fan feel about those deals, centered around those players?

And, really, Cousins shouldn't be traded at all. There is maybe only one player in the league that I'd move Cousins for and that's AD. Other than that, he's the type of player you build around for a long time to come, not the type you move out of town.

 

[supermario21]

I notice The Bullshit Whisperer deleted that tweet. What a clown lol

 

[godfather]

If, BIG IF, Sac is really interested in trading him.

I wouldn't say no to a trade to LA if I were them, but its going to cost more than just that second round pick, that's for damn sure.

Asking price should be their second pick, Randle, and an unprotected pick.

It's true, Orlando could offer an enticing offer, but I'm not sure if I'm Sac I'm wanting to take back any contracts. And from the sounds of it with Rudy Gay, they're not looking to take on money.

I rather draft a big man with the second pick, have him on a rookie contract, get another promising one in Randle on rookie contract, and an unprotected draft pick, that's likely a lottery one, that could be a number one.

Steep price? Yeah, it is. Would the Lakers be willing to bend that far? Depends how desperate they are to get a star there. I think they might.

But we set the bar last summer, when we traded the number one pick, previous number one pick (okay he stunk, but still), and another first round pick for a guy on his last year contract, that's not a center, with a team that supposedly had no leverage.

Sac is going to ask for a shit load for Cousins, and they'll probably get it too.

I don't think they should trade him, but what's going on in Sac is very interesting. If they were ever to trade him, now would be the time, just at a value standpoint.

It's possible Cousins is going to just walk anyways, given how bad it sounds in Sac.

Obviously George or Cousins has to go.

 

[Kyrieville]

I notice The Bullshit Whisperer deleted that tweet. What a clown lol

What did it say?