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Derrick Williams - worth a 1st rounder?

Discussion in 'Trades, Free Agency, & the Draft' started by Mott the Hoople, Jan 17, 2013.

  1. Mott the Hoople

    Mott the Hoople Towel Waver

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    There's no question Derrick Williams will be traded by the deadline. He has been a big disappointment for the 2nd pick in the draft.

    He is a classic "tweener" that actually has shown promise as a backup C. The Wolves want him gone. They prefer a big man in return. But you can't always get what you want.

    The question is this: The Cavs have to be a playoff contender next season. Forget the tank. If the Cavs don't make the playoffs next season - they will then officially become what the Clippers used to be.

    To improve that much next season the roster must be greatly enhanced. They need a great lottery pick, a strong FA pickup, and a healthy Andy.

    The 2nd 1st round pick will most likely be the late Heat pick. No valuable players will be found that low. But a trade at the deadline offers the "hope" of the Lakers pick.


    Even with Williams limited talents, he would be a far greater acquisition for the Cavs than anybody picked that low.
     
  2. theSTEREO.

    theSTEREO. The second of his name.

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    Better question... How happy are all of us that we didn't draft a guy who a year and a half later pops up on message boards of other teams asking "Is he worth a first rounder?" :chuckles:

    But my answer is maybe a late first rounder, like a Miami pick or even the Sac pick.

    Def not our own.
     
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  3. MGMT

    MGMT Preview Team

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    Why can't Derrick just go away
     
  4. TheDudeAbides

    TheDudeAbides Towel Waver

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    Yes for the second 1st rd pick. But Minn would never do that
     
  5. Shakalu M.D.

    Shakalu M.D. Its Happening!!!!

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    I don't see the point of making a move for this guy. We have a young PF who has shown a lot of growth over the last few weeks. Do we think Williams has the ability to play the 3 at this level? I don't think he has the ability to defend NBA 3s, this is the main reason I wanted nothing to do with him on draft day (that and my crush on Kyrie).

    While I agree that things should and probably will start looking better next season, I certainly disagree with your assertion that we'll be the next Clippers if we suck again. The Clippers were what they were because of blown picks, horrible management, and bad coaching over several seasons.

    The Cavs lost the best player in basketball to FA and had nobody on the team to build around. We had to endure one horrible season with no bright spots before we even got Kyrie. We lucked into what looks to be one of the best PGs in basketball, but him and Tristan were all we had again.

    People have to realize that this is really year 2 of the rebuild. While we've had to endure 3 losing seasons, that first one doesn't count because we weren't building anything. We were in flux waiting for the draft and an opportunity to actually add some talent to the roster.

    In the end I don't think it matters because I doubt we're going to be a bottom of the barrel team next year unless we have injuries. Kyrie will be Kyrie, Tristan will continue to grow (he's looked like a future stud as of late), and hopefully Dion continues to get acclimated and gains a measure of consistency. Throw in Noel/Len/Shabazz/McLemore and anyone we trade for or sign, and this team will be competitive. I don't know if they'll be a playoff team, but they'll watchable.

    Anyway back to the main point. I don't think this team is in a situation where they have to blindly try to acquire talent. They need to look at skill sets and fit as well. Williams is a pretty talented player, but he doesn't fit this team unless he can learn to play the 3.
     
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  6. jlegg21

    jlegg21 Sixth Man

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    Alex Shved just rolled his ankle "2-4 weeks style". It's just not Minnesota's year obviously.

    Yeah, I'd do the Sac pick and maybe cap filler for the guy. Why? Cuz that Sac pick might as well not exist with the protection and stipulations on it. It's an imaginary asset right now, and possibly permanently.

    Plus, I could see him being one of those guys who finally figures it out a few years down the road and becomes a contributor during a playoff run. Way too early to give up on him considering the situation he's in.
     
  7. Kovah

    Kovah Situational Stopper

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    As a backup Center i read? wtf?
     
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  8. StuDiscus

    StuDiscus In the Rotation

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    I'd take a shot at him for super cheap.

    Like for the team washing machine cheap.
     
  9. Gajin

    Gajin Towel Waver

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    After coming in for Shved he did the following:
    • turned the ball over trying to drive
    • got blocked trying to dunk the next possession
    • got an offensive foul after elbowing Griffin in the face trying to go back up after being blocked

    It reminded me of Tristan last season and the beginning of this season. I don't think I'm ready for that again
     
  10. STAT

    STAT Making the Leap

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    [video=youtube;FONN-0uoTHI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI[/video]
     
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  11. UncleDrew

    UncleDrew Potential Legendary

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    I saw what you did there.
     
  12. Shakalu M.D.

    Shakalu M.D. Its Happening!!!!

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    seen.
     
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  13. EdMonix11

    EdMonix11 Sixth Man

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    Why are people so enamored with this guy? I still don't get it......
     
  14. AMC

    AMC Mmhmm.

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    The sad thing is that the most likely deal for Derrick Williams right now would be a multi-player deal for JJ Reddick.
     
  15. The Oi

    The Oi Or Also Schtick

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    /Scene.

    And cut.
     
  16. Earl

    Earl Situational Stopper

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    Wouldn't mind him off the bench behind Thompson. A Michael Beasley type deal would be nice
     
  17. Adam

    Adam Reading and reacting

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    Is he even worth a round of drinks at this stage?
     
  18. Scholar

    Scholar Sports Archaeologist

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    I think everyone is forgetting what Mr Williams having been picked 2nd in an NBA draft entails. That little tidbit about being paid like he was the second best player in that draft. He might well not be worth the risk just because he is going to be paid too much for a player that hasn't really shown much. That late first round pick for him might not be such a slam dunk as some of you suggest. His salary for the next 3 years is 5,016,960, 6,331,404, and 8,262,482. Perhaps, that is also one of the reasons for Minnesota shopping him.

    So, when you are talking about getting Derrick cheap, that just might not be possible. :chuckles:
     
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  19. Free Agency God

    Free Agency God Birthing All-Stars

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    Boobie for Derrick Williams and a 1st.
     
  20. Lee

    Lee Golden Shower Member

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    And when he you say Boobie, you mean Grant takes Kahn out to the strip clubs, I would imagine we would even have to pick up the bar tab and not just the cover charge and lap dances.
     
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