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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Total voters
    255
  • Poll closed .
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Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

IGWT, quit bitching. I don't care if your dad is a Syracuse fan. You blatantly did not watch the games if Waiters didn't stand out to you. He straight up TOOK OVER a couple games.

If I hear the "he couldn't even start on his team" argument one more time, I'm swinging the ban hammer.

Waiters is going to be a fierce scorer. His defense is being really unfairly criticized. W&G, I respectfully disagree with your entire post. It's been said that Waiters was by far the best man to man defender on Syracuse (they ran man to man in practice and he apparently impressed our scouts with his defensive ability).

Let's play a little game. Dion's skills compared to the guys we wanted.

He's got a very good first step. Out of our trio of MKG/Barnes/Beal, the only one with a comparable first step is MKG.

He's got a good jumper with a high release point. So do Barnes and Beal.

He's got fantastic ball handling ability with a phenomenal handle on the pick and roll. None of the three have his skill level here.

He took over games on various occasions for stretches. None of the three did it like he did.

His biggest knock? He's undersized. So is Beal. And he's got the strength to make up for his height.

I'm extremely excited about this pick.

Max, good call.
 
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Hopefully, the close personal relationship that Chris Grant has with a Syracuse assistant coach isn't with Bernie Fine....
 
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His attitude history both scares me and intrigues me. It all depends on how he channels his emotions. Being on a losing team might not be a good thing for him.

Reading that he had issues with his high school coach and Boehiem is not a good thing. Reading a direct quote from Boehiem that "he played no defense. Not a little defense. No defense." is definitely not a good thing.


BUT hearing that he plays with emotion is good news for me. Hearing that he turned it around and busted his ass his 2nd year is great news to me. Hearing that he has overcome adversity in his life and accepted a 6th man role is good news to me.

I thought it was a good sign when they asked him about his maturity issues and he kind of smiled and admitted it was an issue. He said he went into college a boy and came out a man. To me, that said he realizes there was a problem and he fixed it.



He also said he talks to Kyrie daily and they are "brothers." Not sure how Kyrie is brothers with so many people.
 
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For anyone, saying Waiters looks pudgy, according to the NYT article from March, his body fat is 4%. Built like a tank.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/24/sports/ncaabasketball/newly-focused-syracuses-dion-waiters-thrives.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

2012 NBA Combine: Measurements | NBADraft.net

8% at the combine per the site...he definitely has the potential to be a tank though.

P.S. He weighs as much as Anthony Davis...kid's going to love contact.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Wow!

That was fast. The NBA already has one of those BIG head commercials for Dion..


Whats that you say?

Oh.
Damn..


Welcome Dion!!!
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

I called it 3 weeks ago...a SELECT here few will confirm it.

So it's safe to say that Waiters was the guy you were hinting at when you said the Cavs were looking hard at a guy not on the fanbase's radar?
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

I called it 3 weeks ago...a SELECT here few will confirm it.

Yes sir. I can confirm. Thrilled with the pick as well.

Max thanked a post that referenced Waiters high scores on advanced metrics.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

IGWT, quit bitching. I don't care if your dad is a Syracuse fan. You blatantly did not watch the games if Waiters didn't stand out to you. He straight up TOOK OVER a couple games.

If I hear the "he couldn't even start on his team" argument one more time, I'm swinging the ban hammer.

Waiters is going to be a fierce scorer. His defense is being really unfairly criticized. W&G, I respectfully disagree with your entire post. It's been said that Waiters was by far the best man to man defender on Syracuse (they ran man to man in practice and he apparently impressed our scouts with his defensive ability).

Let's play a little game. Dion's skills compared to the guys we wanted.

He's got a very good first step. Out of our trio of MKG/Barnes/Beal, the only one with a comparable first step is MKG.

He's got a good jumper with a high release point. So do Barnes and Beal.

He's got fantastic ball handling ability with a phenomenal handle on the pick and roll. None of the three have his skill level here.

He took over games on various occasions for stretches. None of the three did it like he did.

His biggest knock? He's undersized. So is Beal. And he's got the strength to make up for his height.

I'm extremely excited about this pick.

Max, good call.

He also has the 2nd highest Hollinger score for a SG, second only to Dwayne Wade.......
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Thrilled with the pick after MKG and Beal were off the board...ROY candidate. Going to surprise everyone. Stud...

Max, how do you think Waiters will stack up defensively? Obviously there are mixed reports on his defense.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Waiters' defense is good. He defended point guards at syracuse. He's going to remind people of eric snow with his stocky frame, and tenacious in-your-face defense.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

:chuckles:

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No offense, but these are baseless assumptions

1. He improved immensely on the defensive side of the ball from his freshman to sophomore year. He has quick hands and was their best perimeter defender when he wanted to be. He has the strength and size to be a very good defender. Additionally, they played a zone.

2. So you're saying the one guy, who was clearly the best guard in the Big East and played for the best team in college ball for a while, won't help translate points to wins? You do know why Boheim made him the 6th man, right?

Not baseless ... I'm not saying he can't develop into a quality defensive player either.., I just haven't seen it yet. His steals actually came due to him cheating off his defensive responsibilities in the zone more often, and would, on most occasions, would likely lead to him being lectured by his coach afterwards ...especially in the NBA, it would end up with somebody on the opposition sailing free to the hoop for a layup.

Maybe more of what I've seen and heard is more to do with immaturity than him being a kid that just has an aversion to defense. So, I'll hold off judgement on him in that regard. All young kids coming into the game have issues that need addressed.

My main problem doesn't have as much to do with Waiters personally, anyways. It has to do with what I perceived as a pretty big value disparity between Waiters and Robinson. I can see if we are a contending team with depth of talent across the board and are looking for that singular piece to put us over the top when disregarding a value difference as big as what I see between Robinson and Waiters. But, when you are a team that is woefully thin pretty much across the board, years away from contention, and with many opportunities to come to fill holes and target particular positions, you take the high value player. The only position on this current team I might think to shy away from in that regard would be point guard. That's just how I think, personally ..and how I would operate in the Cavs position.

Now, I'll say this ..I don't know Dion Waiters that well, or as well as I know many in this draft. Have only been on hand at workouts where he was involved once, and only really met him once where I had an opportunity to talk to him, which was pretty brief to tell you the truth. I was there more to work with another kid at that same event,... and this was after his freshman campaign, and prior to his sophomore. I liked what I saw of his work ethic. The guy that was working with him individually was putting him through the paces on a multitude of skill set drills, and what I liked was he seemed like a kid that worked on his weaknesses as hard and diligently as the things he had a personal liking for and what were his perceived strengths. So, that is a good sign moving forward.

What I love the most about him is what many may see as a weakness, but I don't. He's sooo cocky and full of confidence that it stands out in a big way. When you are a shooting guard and a scorer, you want him to have an unwavering belief in himself, and not be a person that will miss a few shots early and then mentally shut down and take himself out of his own game. No, this guy knows wherever he goes, and whatever game he's in he's the best player on that floor. He;s gonna shoot until he proves that fact too. So, from that standpoint, he's got a scorer's game, a scorer's skill set, and a scorer's mindset and self confidence to the core. And I love that fact.

The weaknesses will be going from the zone based defensive sets that he's become accustomed to at Syracuse, and converting that type defensive mindset to the NBA game where he'll have to physically and mentally be sharpened to player's strengths and weaknesses, fight through picks, and move his feet and not his hands. At Syracuse he was in zones, cheated off his responsibilities often, and when in trouble always reached, lunged and grabbed instead of moving his feet and staying fundamentally sound within the framework of the schemes he was in. Yes, he did lead conference in steals, but ...the means to that end was fundamentally flawed, and in the pro game those same risks will find his man or another players man coasting the the rim for an easy layup more often than not..

Now, that is what I mean by a player that converts points to wins ...he has to tune his game up defensively in a big way from where he was in college or all the points he'll be able to put up in the NBA, and I don't doubt that he'll have the ability to score well in this league, but all those points he will be scoring will be coming back at him on the other end of the court in a big way as well.

He's gotta bring the level of skill and confidence that he has on the offensive end, to the defensive end as well.

Another issue I saw with him, and I'm not sure it's really a long term issue or weakness ..was that in the time I saw him personally he was carrying lots of loose weight. Now, it was offseason and you always have to give players some slack there ...but he was significantly overweight at that point and I would hope that that isn't a real concern moving forward because one thing the NBA game exposes first and foremost with the pace of the game and how many games that come at you every week for seven months is your personal training and fitness ..and taking it even further your diet and discipline to a well structured schedule of practice, sleep, and sound diet.

I want the kid to succeed in a big way ...my biggest problem wasn't as much with him as what I perceived as a value disparity. And it's my philosophy that at this stage of a rebuild , with a thin roster and many holes throughout roster ...you simply don't bypass that degree of value disparity to zone in on a specific position on the court.. not at this juncture of the rebuild.
 
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Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

NICE! Was it in a public thread or a mod only shindig.

What I'm getting at, is there something we should have been paying more attention to in the last 3 months to realize that Waiters was a hugely viable option at for the Cavs.

Also, do you think MKG and Beal would have both been taken ahead of him by Grant if the choice were there?

I recall him thanking a post that mentioned Waiters not too long ago...
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

All I can say is awesomee!! I if you haven't seen it watch the nba work out for him
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Am I the only person who think he looks like Winnie the Pooh?
 
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