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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Total voters
    255
  • Poll closed .
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Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Cavs need to change rookie policy this year: Zeller has sole responsibility for getting the donuts.

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From Jason Lloyd: BScott said he's not concerned about Waiters' slow start to summer league. "The biggest thing with him is conditioning. Once he gets in shape, all the other stuff will start to come."



HAHAHAHA i love it.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Didn't Kyrie come in a little slow and out of shape last year?
Not worried yet.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Didn't Kyrie come in a little slow and out of shape last year?
Not worried yet.


yeah, the start of training camp i heard that he was a little out of shape. but after Camp Scott.. he was in top shape, that is why I'm not worried at all. If you can't get into shape from coach scott, you deserve a butt kicking (see Samuels)
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Dion definitely came in out of shape. Dissapointing, but not the end of the world...Kyrie came in out of shape last year too. It doesn't take long to strap on some extra pounds and lose your wind. Dion wasn't under anyone's control....now he is. We got him and he's doing everything asked of him so far. So I dont think it was a work ethic thing, more of a maturity thing. I think he slacked off a bit especially when he had a promise. There wasn't any doubt in my mind that he was going to start slow. Having Kyrie injured has only made things harder for Dion too. So it's a combination of things we're seeing so far. He's been working out twice a day, he's not in NBA shape yet, Kyrie is out so he is pressing a little more. Result - he's tired and not playing well yet.

The good news is that he has 3-1/2 months until the season starts. I'm confident he will be in shape when the season begins. He's going to get better training than he has in his life. The cavs will teach him the best ways to improve his strength, conditioning and diet. BScott is going to work him out a hell of a lot harder than Boeheim. When camp begins there are chefs on hand that feed these guys their breakast, lunch and dinner...that will help. Dion's a passionate kid that wants to succeed. As he matures and bonds with guys like Kyrie, I think he'll buy into what it takes to be a successful NBA player. His attitiude has been great so far. It's just going to take time.
 
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Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

. BScott is going to work him out a hell of a lot harder than Boeheim.

Sums up why im not worried. Scott might not be the best coach in the league but I think he is exactly what Waiters needs.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

If I remember in the presser the next day after Waiters was drafted he said to Byron something to the effect of:"You're gonna be sorry I'm here",and Scott replied with a wicked smile:"No you will"...I laughed..Waiters has no idea whats in store for him.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

I wonder if Paul Pierce struggled in the summer league.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Put Dion on the Samardo Samuels program. Jesus Christ.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Waiters will be good in the league. Don't put too much weight (no pun intended), if any, on the summer league. He will be solid, especially next to Irving. Just wait and watch.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Scott's comment confirms one concern (that Dion didn't come in to camp in the best of shape) and fails to dismiss the other (his poor play).

It just doesn't sound like the work ethic is up to par with what the organization has been targeting - and taking plays off on D wasn't a good sign either. Scott may beat it out of him in short order, but something I thought the Cavs would have weeded out - now has to be considered a concern.

Well, as was pointed out, Waiters got his promise and probably stopped working out because of it. The weight certainly is a concern, but the reports are the guy really is a gym rat too. Just eats too much. Hopefully, professional nutritionists can help with that.
 
Re: Welcome Dion Waiters

Waiters won't be the first nor the last player to arrive at a training camp out of shape, but just because he's out of shape and tired from practices shouldn't mean he can't play well or play smart.

This is pretty scathing... and much of it is not all that excusable:

http://blog.cleveland.com/cavshq/2012/07/cavs_summer_league_game_2_zell.html
Dion Waiters:

- Yes, it is still only two meaningless Summer League games, but Dion Waiters has made just 7 of his 25 shots in those two games, most of them poorly-balanced jump shots from beyond 20 feet. Waiters took another 6 long jump shots last night, bringing his total to 14 of his 25 shots taken from long range. Waiters will never be a dangerous scorer if he relies on jump shots, and so far that is what he is settling for in Summer League.

- Waiters did do a better job of attacking the rim on Monday night, taking seven shots insider the paint compared to just three on Sunday night. The problem is that Waiters made only two of those shots, and one was an unchallenged fast break dunk. Right now the #4 overall pick can't score inside or out.

- The jump-shooting problem falls on bad mechanics and bad shot selection, but Waiters' troubles near the rim are just as problematic. He is starting his gather - the point where he picks up the ball and tries to power his way to the hoop - too far away from the basket. This leaves him having to use his momentum laterally just to get to the hoop, rather than using it to raise up above the defense for an easier finish at the rim. Waiters did show a little creativity in getting his shot up around the defense, but things would be much easier for him if he could penetrate deeper into the lane before picking the ball up for the shot.


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(AP Photo/David Becker)


- Which illustrates another problem: Waiters isn't showing the speed to get around the corner on his defender. This could be a matter of Waiters adjusting to the pace of the game and having the ball in his hands so much, but the lack of speed in Waiters' dribble game is a bit concerning. He does a good job of splitting defenders with the dribble, but hasn't been able to burst to the rim very often.

- Finally, Waiters' defense has been generally terrible in both games. He isn't sticking with his man, he is not hustling on close outs, and he is providing almost no help to his teammates. His effort level on the defensive end has not been there, and could be more evidence that his conditioning coming into Summer League was not NBA-ready. Coach Byron Scott talked about Waiters' conditioning after the game Monday night, and I think the coach's first priority is getting Waiters ready to run with the big boys come November.

- While that is a big list of problems with the performance of the Cavaliers' new shooting guard, it remains the results of two Summer League games. Waiters can and will improve. But that doesn't meant that his performance in these two games was remotely impressive, or even satisfactory. Of the players selected in the Top 10 in last month's draft (excluding #1 pick Anthony Davis who is playing with Team USA), Waiters is next-to-last in scoring at 10.5 points per game, ahead of only Andre Drummond (7.4 ppg). Michael Kidd-Gichrist (18 ppg), Bradley Beal (18.7 ppg), Thomas Robinson (14.3 ppg), Damian Lillard (25 ppg), Harrison Barnes (18 ppg), Terrance Ross (15.3 ppg) and Austin Rivers (14 ppg) are all averaging more points per game, as are #11 overall pick Meyers Leonard (14 ppg) and #12 overall pickJeremy Lamb (20.3 ppg). I look forward to watching Dion Waiters get over this hump and progress the way the Cavs front office hopes, but he has a long way to go at the moment.
 
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