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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Total voters
    255
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FWIW, when the TNT guys picked their rising star team rosters, neither picked Dion. DW went to a roster in a blind draw of the last 4 slots.

I still don't understand why no one wanted him. He killed in last year's game and compared to the other rookies and sophomores his stats and splits actually rank near the top of the crop.

His rep is taking a nose dive league-wide. Whether it's deserved or not is anyone's guess, but it's something Dion needs to rectify.
 
FWIW, when the TNT guys picked their rising star team rosters, neither picked Dion. DW went to a roster in a blind draw of the last 4 slots.

Maybe this kind of stuff will wake him up. The league has a negative perception based on him being a supposed malcontent. You might have all the talent in the world but that kind of rep is hard to shake. It also goes to show how MB has ruined the value of all our players. Just last year we had 4 players in that game. Now AB/Zeller/Karasev don't get invited and Dion doesn't get picked. SMH.
 
I still don't understand why no one wanted him. He killed in last year's game and compared to the other rookies and sophomores his stats and splits actually rank near the top of the crop.

His rep is taking a nose dive league-wide.

I'd venture to say they are more in tune with the player, as an individual with their status around the league and their contacts to players groups. They most likely seen that Dion is immature in his approach to the game.
 
Advise to Mr. Waiters:

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Not going to lie, I could only catch the second half due to school. Even then, he is still sulking after every missed shot.

His defensive effort is great when he's locking down one on one, but did you miss the 4+ three pointers he failed to close out on? Then after he pouts/sulks some more because they made yet another 3, even though it's on him. He gets extremely lazy on his off the ball defense and helps one pass away when there's no reason to and doesn't seem to learn from his repeated mistakes.

He was inefficient taking more bad shots (again), and played decent defense from what I saw. That isn't a world-beating performance. Don't get me wrong he's still a very young player and could thrive under a good coach, but I still think he gets traded before Mike Brown gets fired unfortunately.

I often agree with 99% of your posts Rich...

But saying Waiters looked good compared to the rest of the team is hardly a compliment. He's not THE problem like people are making him out to be, but from a production standpoint he still looked worse than nearly all the Lakers scrubs.

I have no sympathy for Dion. I do not like the chip-on-shoulder routine. It's disgusting.

What other lazy clichés do you find disgusting?

He probably just loves lazy point guards instead

Dion can place some lock down on the ball D when he wants to, but he needs to stop coming off his man to play the passing lanes, that's when he gives up open threes; like the one Blake hit to shut the door.

I think the other problem with Dion is that he's not the type of player who you bring in when you're trying to create a culture and build up a franchise... He's very much a wildcard player and he seems like the type of piece you bring in later once you have an established culture/identity... Then you can kind of let him do his thing..

But now within a team trying to build and grow, where there are no defined roles and everything is up for grabs, it seems like the worst case scenario for a marriage between Dion and a team...

Dion needs to grow up but not do it on a team that's growing up itself...

Agree. Dion needs to be around a stable collection of vets for his development. That doesn't seem to be happening here. In fact, the void of leadership on this team is one of the main reasons we have struggled so much, imo.

It is one thing to try and grow a young roster, but without the right vets and mentors, "at-risk" players become more risky. Dion is a solid example.

The myth that Waiters is a chemistry problem is pretty ridiculous now. The Cavs (minus Bynum) are -12.5 per 100 possessions with Waiters off the floor, and +0.3/100 with him on it. Yes this miserable team has been on par with their opponents or slightly better with Waiters on the floor. To contrast, the Cavs are -5.4/100 without Kyrie, and -4.6/100 with Kyrie.

What exactly does a 12.8 point per 100 possession improvement with Waiters on the floor mean? I have no idea, but it sure doesn't signify a chemistry problem. It signifies the opposite. If the guys hate him so much I highly doubt they would play their best ball next to him.

Dion can create his own shot and get the rim but he can't finish

Advise to Mr. Waiters:

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Dion is essentially the firebrand leader that everyone wanted out of kyrie but its not kyrie so people deem that Waiters isnt talented enough to be what he is and comes natural to him?

Mike Brown has shit on him. Irving has shit on him and now it seems alot of fans and friends of the organization are shitting on him.

its rather tiresome.

I went through and watched all the video of every Dion Shot in the lakers game. it was funny... His "sulking " was the same face he made when his team was down by thirty and he made a shot.

you guys what expect Dion to be happy to constantly get called out on the court down by ten or fifteen or pulled in right while the lead is evaporating.

Im not seeing the difference between his sulking and loul deng sulking except Deng is Proven.

people should really take a look at the lays and openings that dion creates and the struggle he has to go through to get them to follow him because they are used to the guy having the ball ignoring him.

Ive never heard so many people complain about an wing player camping the perimeter on plays when its their job to do that.

lets talk about Dions shooting in relation to the team.. you have loul shooting 42% kyrie shooting 42% and CJ shooting 43%.

Dion is a triple threat player he gives the teams options that they arent utilizing. his numbers arent as disparagin as they appear and he has shown versatility in playing both the 2 and the 3.

now people are saying well dion needs to be surrounded by vets and we dont have enough so lets trade him.

the problem is all the youngs guys could use some more veteran presence on the roster.
 
Regarding Cavs situation, Chuck Barkley says "when you get a lottery pick, that guy should be a starter". "doesn't have to be a superstar, but he should be a starter".
 
You can't seriously look me in the eye and tell me you'd rather have Kelly Olynyk, Mason Plumlee, or Pero Antic over Dion Waiters.
 
If the cavs had Avery Bradley in the back court, Waiters would have been a god send. As it stands the gains in the back court that need to be made are defensively. Waiters isn't the guy who's going to take on the toughest defensive assignment. Kyrie's back court partner should either be spreading the court for irving, or providing staunch defense. That's the biggest reason I think Waiters gets dealt, he projects as a volume scorer rather than an all defensive teamer, who can also score. The line to gain isn't one waiters can reach, and that's why it's time to move on. I've seen some games where I begin to believe waiters could be that second back court mate, but too often he drifts defensively, and is not engaged and it is easy to see its just not his skill set.
 
Regarding Cavs situation, Chuck Barkley says "when you get a lottery pick, that guy should be a starter". "doesn't have to be a superstar, but he should be a starter".

Well, Dion should be a starter, as the team is better with him on the court than with him off it. At the very least, he should be playing starter minutes for the same reason. Put this one on Mike Brown's shitty coaching.

But I also disagree with Barkley's logic. Not every lottery pick, or every lottery, is created equal. The 2011 draft, outside of Kyrie, was pretty awful. There were only a handful of starter-caliber guys in that lottery. Certainly not 14. The same goes for this year's draft, which was all-time bad. Sometimes the guys on the board are better served to be bench guys than starters.

I feel that way about Thompson. I don't think he was a bad pick. I just think he should be starting because his game is better served as a bench energy guy.
 
Some of you guys keep alluding to Waiters as a leader and a fiery player who rallies the troops when times are hard.

Name me a leader that complains about his role, shifts blame to everyone else and causes locker room problems?

It's weird that people aren't just willing to let go and acknowledge you've been mischaracterizing him all along. You're willing-and right- to do it with Kyrie, Gilbert, Brown and Grant- but not Dion. Why?
 
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Some of you guys keep alluding to Waiters as a leader and a fiery player who rallies the troops when times are hard.

Name me a leader that complains about his role, shifts blame to everyone else and causes locker room problems?

It's weird that people aren't just willing to let go and acknowledge you've been mischaracterizing him all along. You're willing-and right- to do it with Kyrie, Gilbert, Brown and Grant- but not Dion. Why?

I don't know about calling him a leader who rallies anyone. Maybe he could do that when he grows up one day. But I can't argue your subjective complaints about him. I don't know what he complains about or who he blames, or really care. All I know is objectively the Cavs are much better when he is on the floor, which shoots down any arguments about irreparable chemistry.
 
Maybe this kind of stuff will wake him up. The league has a negative perception based on him being a supposed malcontent. You might have all the talent in the world but that kind of rep is hard to shake. It also goes to show how MB has ruined the value of all our players. Just last year we had 4 players in that game. Now AB/Zeller/Karasev don't get invited and Dion doesn't get picked. SMH.

I don't know everything that is going on obviously. But from what I see THIS year. He has a right to be a malcontent.

I mean if being a malcontent is calling out a teammate for not giving full effort or of teammates playing buddy ball--well so be it. If it is complaining about his playing time when he messes up and others don't get the same treatment when they mess up, well I can't say I blame him here.

I was one of those who preferred Drummond and still do. But I do like a lot of Dion's game. I really think he would shine as the starting PG (if not here, somewhere). He is a tank, I think he is the type of player who gets into a rhythm and the more he plays in the game the better he gets.

To save the value of our players, even if we are intent on trading someone--we really need to start Dion,Kyrie,Deng,AB and AV--CJ is backup 2 and 3, Delly is backup PG. TT is backup 4 and 5. That is our best grouping of the players, it seems so simple to see this, why can't our coach? --MB needs to reward Dion and AB for their play at the end of the last game--and reward CJ with 28 to 30 min of playing time off the bench for his efforts.
 
Some of you guys keep alluding to Waiters as a leader and a fiery player who rallies the troops when times are hard.

Name me a leader that complains about his role, shifts blame to everyone else and causes locker room problems?

It's weird that people aren't just willing to let go and acknowledge you've been mischaracterizing him all along. You're willing-and right- to do it with Kyrie, Gilbert, Brown and Grant- but not Dion. Why?

His "role"? Why wouldn't he complain about it at this point. It is ludicrous and ridiculous that Jarrett Jack plays more than he does. What locker room problem? Calling Kyrie and Tristan out for effort and buddy buddy ball? Calling the coach out for playing favorites?

I am not saying Dion has no role in any of this, but he has clearly been fucked by our coach this year. If I had a boss and he did that to me, I would tell him to fuck himself also--you call it complaining, I call it standing up for himself.
 
His "role"? Why wouldn't he complain about it at this point. It is ludicrous and ridiculous that Jarrett Jack plays more than he does. What locker room problem? Calling Kyrie and Tristan out for effort and buddy buddy ball? Calling the coach out for playing favorites?

I am not saying Dion has no role in any of this, but he has clearly been fucked by our coach this year. If I had a boss and he did that to me, I would tell him to fuck himself also--you call it complaining, I call it standing up for himself.

the Dion-as-victim trope is getting really tiresome. Somehow I doubt Mike Brown, Kyrie, Tristan and everyone else just roll out of bed every morning thinking of ways to screw over Dion Waiters. Somehow I also doubt anyone feels like being lectured and hectored at by a volume-shooting 2nd-year player who a.) hasn't done anything in the league yet and b.) habitually takes plays off himself.

Maybe Dion ought to earn some respect and get his own house in order.
 
the Dion-as-victim trope is getting really tiresome. Somehow I doubt Mike Brown, Kyrie, Tristan and everyone else just roll out of bed every morning thinking of ways to screw over Dion Waiters. Somehow I also doubt anyone feels like being lectured and hectored at by a volume-shooting 2nd-year player who a.) hasn't done anything in the league yet and b.) habitually takes plays off himself.

Maybe Dion ought to earn some respect and get his own house in order.

I think implying that people are saying that the rest of the team is conspiring against Dion is a bit of a straw-man.

I think people are saying that it's pretty understandable that Dion is upset with his role, especially since the team is losing anyway. No one is saying that Dion is a blameless victim.
 
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