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The Human Q-Tip said:
So my question is this: Has Dion regressed, or is he basically the same guy as he was in college and just never adapted/improve significantly?
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At one time, Dion looked like he could follow either a Joe Dumars or Barron Davis career path, if he was able to continue improving in shooting (JD) or passing (BD). The analytics from his college career were very promising. Unfortunately, Dion has not only failed to improve, he's regressed on shooting, assists, turnovers, drawing free throws and steals since his sophomore year in college. He looks more like J.R. smith during his "get mine" phase at the start of the season than he does like a passable NBA role player. Now he's gone south of that and become a joke. Something mental or emotional is really broken there, because Dion still shows flashes of potential, they are just getting farther apart.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dion-waiters-1.html#players_advanced::none
 
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Basically the one overarching factor is when placed in a good team his performance drops considerably. Not a very good look for a guy who sees himself as a superstar.
 
Douglar said:
At one time, Dion looked like he could follow either a Joe Dumars or Barron Davis career path, if he was able to continue improving in shooting (JD) or passing (BD). The analytics from his college career were very promising. Unfortunately, Dion has not only failed to improve, he's regressed on shooting, assists, turnovers, drawing free throws and steals since his sophomore year in college. He looks more like J.R. smith during his "get mine" phase than he does like a passable NBA role player. Something mental or emotional is really broken there, because Dion still shows flashes of potential, they are just getting farther apart.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dion-waiters-1.html#players_advanced::none
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I just wonder about the "potential" end of things. From what I've seen, he's got one elite skill -- that first step to the hole. Nothing else seems above a journeyman level to me. And the flashes...well, NBA history is littered with role-players who occasionally get hot or otherwise do something spectacular, but that's essentially an aberration/anomoly, not a sign of some great latent potential.

It's just kind of interesting. Is it that he can't unlock some "potential", or that it really isn't there at all?
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
I just wonder about the "potential" end of things. From what I've seen, he's got one elite skill -- that first step to the hole. Nothing else seems above a journeyman level to me. And the flashes...well, NBA history is littered with role-players who occasionally get hot or otherwise do something spectacular, but that's essentially an aberration/anomoly, not a sign of some great latent potential.

It's just kind of interesting. Is it that he can't unlock some "potential", or that it really isn't there at all?
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He was a pretty great spot-up shooter as well his first two years in the league. I believe he shot over 40% when spotting up both years. Guys can make a career in the NBA just by doing that alone. Dion's problem is that he failed to improve any of his weaknesses (moving without the ball, finishing at the rim, constantly complaining, passing up open threes to take contested mid-range jumpers, etc.), but all of his strengths got worse too.
 
Edit: Wrong thread.

However it had to do with awfulness so maybe... it wasn't.
 
Season high !!!

I swear every OKC home game I watch, the crowd atmosphere is like a playoff game. Even going back to the start of the season. They easily have the best crowd in the league.
 
mhi said:
Season high !!!

I swear every OKC home game I watch, the crowd atmosphere is like a playoff game. Even going back to the start of the season. They easily have the best crowd in the league.
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LOL no. Oracle arena is by far the best
 
amazon123 said:
LOL no. Oracle arena is by far the best
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Raptors crowd is up there, as well. I think GS, OKC, and the Raps are the top 3 in some order for sure though. Might have to put GS at the top though because they've been consistent even when they weren't that great of a team. I still remember the playoff crowds in their "We Believe" playoff run. That arena's atmosphere was insane.
 
All4One1ForAll said:
Raptors crowd is up there, as well. I think GS, OKC, and the Raps are the top 3 in some order for sure though. Might have to put GS at the top though because they've been consistent even when they weren't that great of a team. I still remember the playoff crowds in their "We Believe" playoff run. That arena's atmosphere was insane.
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Objectively, it's just a fact. They sell out like 500 consecutive games so far, they broke some Guiness world record for loudest indoor arena, and they always have some measuring tool to show how loud they are. OKC is a close second. Raptors are selectively loud. They are like Quicken, they'll show up during the playoffs but don't necessarily represent in regular season games.
 
Went to a game in Toronto about 8 years ago. Lucky enough to get posh club seats where they gave you a menu and waitresses came to take your order. Menu listed "32oz Molson**". At the bottom of the page "** only available for hockey games". They definitely had a loud crowd.

Getting back on topic, Waiters showed flashes of talent again last night. Sometimes he still looks good. Just not clear if he can figure out how to day in day out before his contract runs out.
 
mhi said:
Season high !!!

I swear every OKC home game I watch, the crowd atmosphere is like a playoff game. Even going back to the start of the season. They easily have the best crowd in the league.
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It's easy to have a great crowd when your team has never been bad. These are fans who have never had to experience major heartbreak or years without a star player. Let's see how they look in five years after Durant and Westbrook both leave for greener pastures.
 
[QUOTE="Jack Brickman, post: 2101439, member: 10609"]It's easy to have a great crowd when your team has never been bad. These are fans who have never had to experience major heartbreak or years without a star player. Let's see how they look in five years after Durant and Westbrook both leave for greener pastures.[/QUOTE]

The Thunder were bad I believe the first two years they were in OKC. They still sold out every game, which is pretty amazing.
 
Edit - delete. Phone messed up that post.
 
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