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Does Utah hold the key to Cleveland's future?

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The fact that we have so many key players on their rookie contracts is why our team should spend more to fill our holes now. Guys like Gay, DH12, Bynum, LBJ, etc all would fit great with our team. Im curious as to see how LA's struggles or Bynums knees affect their market value or decisions to resign. As for Gay, Memphis is looking great, I doubt they move him. I ll leave he LBJ story for another thread.
 
Jefferson has his moments bad I've seen tons of Jazz fans grouse on Jefferson's lack of interior defense and the fact that he takes minutes away from Favors and Kanter.

I can see the appeal, but after thinking about it, I'm against the notion of taking in Jefferson. Millsap will be a Jazz after this season. They'll keep him.
 
Jefferson with another average game... He put up a double-double but did so with a high volume of shot attempts, which isn't uncommon for him...

Jefferson is essentially what he is to me: a guy who can get you buckets, will rebound and is consistent in what he gives you (for the most part)... The problem with Jefferson is I wonder how much of what he gives you actually contributes in a positive way to winning and what he doesn't give you (defense, high effort 100% of the time, inability to be a transition, size at center, etc.) contributes in a negative way to winning... For a guy who is going to demand a max contract, or damn near it, I'm not sure if he's worth locking up and asking to be a part of the core... You now take 3 guys who NEED the ball in their hand to be most effective (Irving can be effective off the ball, Waiters is slowly learning) and none of them are passable defenders...yet...

Is that what we want? I still like Jefferson and the opportunity to be acquired should be looked into, because big guys who can score at a good age aren't readily available, but his impact down the road should be looked into...

On the other hand, Millsap is playing like a man possessed... His PER is creeping up around 22 for the second consecutive season and he doesn't looking to be slowing down.. He's every box score lovers dream as he fills it up with multiple assists, steals, blocks, high FG%, he gets to the line, grabs rebounds in bundles and scores... Except this year, more so than last, he's added 3PT range to his game consistently... He's 8-12 after going 16-54 the past two seasons... He's slowly becoming a more complete player, as he's seemingly added something new each off-season..

If there's one thing I could say about Millsap is that you don't worry about him getting his or worry about whether or not he'll impact the game... Whether he scores or not, or whether he gets his shots or not, he's going to positively effect the outcome of the game...

The other thing that attracts me about Millsap is that adding to the core would not be only benefical talent wise but on and off the court too... That's not to say Jefferson isn't a bad player or doesn't work hard, but Millsap is cut from the cloth where he works his ass on and off the court and gives a damn on the court... Some nights it looks like Varejao and Kyrie are the only ones that give a damn... Add Millsap in there and having a player at the top of the totem pole who demands respect with this attitude and with the way he plays, I think would automatically raise the play of others and automatically make them more accountable...

I also like the fact Millsap is a little bit of a better defender than Jefferson, despite his size, and the fact you can get a way with Millsap more at the defensive end playing PF than you can Jefferson playing center... I also think Millsap is a much better fit here and would be a great piece of the core..

I'm all for Millsap but I think he's going to be harder to get and the one the Jazz probably want to keep more... I'm not sure what type of package they'd want but I'd probably give them anything within reason... I also think Millsap will come at a better value than Jefferson; something in the tune of $12-$13 mill a year (does 5 yrs, $60 mil sound right for him?) which is something that would be much easier to swallow and better for the financial future of this team...

My whole worry with Millsap, and why I don't think this would happen, is that it would require Grant to move Thompson to the bench and commit to Millsap long-term... I'm not sure half-way into his 2nd year if Grant would do that after just picking Thompson #4... I know it sounds like absurd reasoning but that's unfortunately how GMs think, especially when it's "their guy"...
 
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I would sign Jefferson for bw $10-14 million per year if he was willing to take a David West length deal for 3 years. Otherwise, pass. If you get him on 3 years at more money than other teams were willing to offer, he's off the books by the time Kyrie's extension would kick in.
Also, this is also provided we don't sign or trade for someone better like Josh Smith, Aldridge, or Cousins
 
Millsap maybe, Jefferson F()CK NO.

Edit: And if we really wanted Jefferson we could have drafted him in '04.

I don't care too much for Jefferson either...but that is the dumbest logic possible for this scenario.
 
I would sign Jefferson for bw $10-14 million per year if he was willing to take a David West length deal for 3 years. Otherwise, pass. If you get him on 3 years at more money than other teams were willing to offer, he's off the books by the time Kyrie's extension would kick in.
Also, this is also provided we don't sign or trade for someone better like Josh Smith, Aldridge, or Cousins

While I agree On Aldridge and chances are almost 20% or less we even end up with him.... As for the name In Bold. Good god no!!! Scott and Cousins would Implode everything to a point of... Oh god I do not even want to think about It.
 
Anyone who wants Al Jefferson on this team is simply looking at box scores and has never watched the guy play.

You think our defense is bad now...
 
Anyone who wants Al Jefferson on this team is simply looking at box scores and has never watched the guy play.

You think our defense is bad now...

Lets say we sign Big Al as FA. Can you imagine starting line-up: Kyrie, Waiters, Gee, AV, Big Al, and second unit of Boobie, Zeller, Tristan? You think that team is a bad team? Holly shit...
 
Problem is i don't see the jazz making Millsap available. They'll probably get rid of Jefferson and slide favors into the starting lineup before they let millsap walk.
 
Al is far from the perfect player, but your guys post offense is so deficient his positives would probably outweigh the negatives and get you into the playoffs. Now you can tank for a fantasy big man with both offense and defense, like Tim Duncan, but history shows those guys come around once every ten years, oh....and you'll need to win the lottery as well. Al is still young at 27 and arguably had his best year ever last year. He averages a solid 2 assists a game nowadays so is not the blackhole he use to be. His free throw percentage has inched up close to 80%, very rare for a big man. The Jazz are only shopping him because they have two #3 picks that both play his position, they would likely be looking to keep him long term, granted for less money, if they didn't have Favors and Kanter.

Yes he is expensive, but his market value will be a little lower than his last contract so you should be able to keep him for around 12 million a year. You also have the financial flexibility to front load his contract so when Kyrie and Waiters are to be extended Al's salary won't get much in the way. I don't think the Jazz are looking for much back, a future protected first and TPE would probably do it.
 
Al is far from the perfect player, but your guys post offense is so deficient his positives would probably outweigh the negatives and get you into the playoffs. Now you can tank for a fantasy big man with both offense and defense, like Tim Duncan, but history shows those guys come around once every ten years, oh....and you'll need to win the lottery as well. Al is still young at 27 and arguably had his best year ever last year. He averages a solid 2 assists a game nowadays so is not the blackhole he use to be. His free throw percentage has inched up close to 80%, very rare for a big man. The Jazz are only shopping him because they have two #3 picks that both play his position, they would likely be looking to keep him long term, granted for less money, if they didn't have Favors and Kanter.

Yes he is expensive, but his market value will be a little lower than his last contract so you should be able to keep him for around 12 million a year. You also have the financial flexibility to front load his contract so when Kyrie and Waiters are to be extended Al's salary won't get much in the way. I don't think the Jazz are looking for much back, a future protected first and TPE would probably do it.

Very observant and great post about your team's center. He could be a great impact for post offense and he also shoots it very well. I suppose Grant could take a flyer on him if he can stay healthy and get his team into the playoffs while being good for 5-7 years. Question is: Will Grant settle for that? It's true that the cream of the crop (Tim Duncan), the most gifted, are 1 in every 10 years, but I suppose they feel that there's a lot of great big men in this draft that are in a similar age growth with our core guys that could make a good offensive impact as well. Getting Jefferson now would put us into either the low end of the playoffs or a low lottery seed and we might stay there for the next 5 years, a middle of the road team. I don't think Grant is ready to do that until at least next year. We're still 5+ quality guys short of being a true contender and we don't believe we can get any guys through free agency, like the Jazz, Cleveland's options are very limited.
 
Here's the issue with adding Jefferson (or any big FA/FA-to-be), from Terry Pluto:

"Here's another negative about the new labor agreement. There is a thing called the "designated player." That allows you to offer him a five-year, $80 million deal. That's one player per team. All other players can only have a four-year extension. When the Thunder signed Westbrook to the five-year deal, he became the designated player. That meant Harden could only be offered four years by Oklahoma City. But he could receive the Houston offer -- the Rockets didn't have a designated player. Now, the Cavs have a young star in 2012 Rookie of the Year Kyrie Irving. He is paid $5.4 million this season, then $5.6 million in 2013-14 and $7.1 million in 2014-15. Rules prevent the Cavs from offering Irving an extension until he's played at least three seasons ... or in the summer of 2014. You can be sure Irving will be the designated player and offered the five-year, $80 million maximum contract as soon as possible."

If the Cavaliers give someone else a five year max deal, they won't be able to offer it to Irving.

Damn if this rule was in existent when we had LeBron we might have been able to get someone other then Larry Hughes since LeBitch wasn't willing to sign the max years.
 
Very observant and great post about your team's center. He could be a great impact for post offense and he also shoots it very well. I suppose Grant could take a flyer on him if he can stay healthy and get his team into the playoffs while being good for 5-7 years. Question is: Will Grant settle for that? It's true that the cream of the crop (Tim Duncan), the most gifted, are 1 in every 10 years, but I suppose they feel that there's a lot of great big men in this draft that are in a similar age growth with our core guys that could make a good offensive impact as well. Getting Jefferson now would put us into either the low end of the playoffs or a low lottery seed and we might stay there for the next 5 years, a middle of the road team. I don't think Grant is ready to do that until at least next year. We're still 5+ quality guys short of being a true contender and we don't believe we can get any guys through free agency, like the Jazz, Cleveland's options are very limited.

True, and probably not would be my guess. The fact that Jonas V and Drummond were both passed on means he does not value big man so much, notably centers, perhaps thinking the game is evolving away from them.
 
True, and probably not would be my guess. The fact that Jonas V and Drummond were both passed on means he does not value big man so much, notably centers, perhaps thinking the game is evolving away from them.

In the Princeton, having two guards who can create and score is crucial. The Cavs had Irving gift-wrapped, Waiters was the best combo guard in the 2012 draft. Nobody with his scoring ability also had a 2/1 assist to turnover ratio. As for the TT choice over Valanciunas, we are still trying to figure it out.

Thanks for your take on the situation. I've been watching more Utah Jazz this year because of their need to free up big man minutes. Your assessment is pretty spot on.
 
In the Princeton, having two guards who can create and score is crucial. The Cavs had Irving gift-wrapped, Waiters was the best combo guard in the 2012 draft. Nobody with his scoring ability also had a 2/1 assist to turnover ratio. As for the TT choice over Valanciunas, we are still trying to figure it out.

Thanks for your take on the situation. I've been watching more Utah Jazz this year because of their need to free up big man minutes. Your assessment is pretty spot on.

Just like Charles Barkley said: "I dont know why people run the Princeton, they never won a championship...why dont people run the Kentucky...only thing from Princeton I want is someone doing my taxes"
 

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