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Draft Battle: Chris Grant & Danny Ferry .vs. Conventional Board Wisdom

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It's still way too early to come to any real conclusion as to what the right pick may have been or which player is better. Especially with the young big guys it might take another 3-4 years.
I did want JV over Thompson in the 2011 draft but didn't think Thompson was some terrible reach since he was drafted just a few spots before he was expected to. I'm happy to see Tristan's development and want him to be better because that only helps the Cavs.
I didn't have a real problem with the Waiters pick after the top 3 went how it did in this past draft. Before the draft I was in favor of Drummond at #4 if the top 3 went Davis, MKG, Beal which ended up happening. I had pretty much convinced myself that Grant and the Cavs weren't going to take Drummond though. Sure there were some risks with Drummond but it's also not like Thompson and Waiters didn't have risks either.

Now we all have to wait and see. How the Cavs fill the C position. How they put together the roster and find the pieces that fit together and compliment each other. And most importantly, can a roster be put together that becomes a legit contender. That will be the ultimate factor as to whether the right picks and right moves were made.
 
The Cavs didn't take Drummond because they don't think his game will translate to star level in the pros. Nothing I have seen, changes that opinion.

Once again, this board tries way to hard and misses the main point.

You must not watch Drummond then or keep up on how the league's rookies are doing because he is killing it right now. Has a PER of 23 and he is essentially averaging 8 points 8 boards and 2 blocks with a FG% of 60 all the while playing in only 20 minutes per game. That my friend should change everyones opinion of him. I've been a homer about him before and after the draft even though I like Dion, but 6'11 275 pound freakish athletic centers don't come around quite often, and we missed our chance at one while I feel like we can get a guard in any draft such as McLemore.
 
Re: Draft Battle: Chris Grant & Danny Ferry .vs. Conventional Board Wisdon

I think bad/fearful prospect analysis kept us from taking Drummond.

I think the same had us take TT over JV.

I dont want the trend to continue.

They saw something they didn't like. So did all the other teams 1-8. There is more to why he fell. Can't believe you would rather have Jonas. Zeller is going to be better.
 
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I think bad/fearful prospect analysis kept us from taking Drummond.

I think the same had us take TT over JV.

I dont want the trend to continue.

I think the Cavs are emphasizing work ethic, self-motivation, character, and a desire to play for the Cavs very highly. That's going to be a tough pill to swallow when it means taking a pass on talent, but only time will tell if it was the right way to go. There's a lot I liked and like about Andre Drummond, but I can't pretend that he lives and breaths to play basketball.
 
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They saw something they didn't like. So did all the other teams 1-8. There is more to why he fell. Can't believe you would rather have Jonas. Zeller is going to be better.

TT is certainly coming into his own and is making me glad, we have him. But let's not get crazy here. Zeller probably isn't going to be better than Jonas. Jonas is better than him right now while being 4 years younger (estimate).
 
Re: Draft Battle: Chris Grant & Danny Ferry .vs. Conventional Board Wisdon

TT is certainly coming into his own and is making me glad, we have him. But let's not get crazy here. Zeller probably isn't going to be better than Jonas. Jonas is better than him right now while being 4 years younger (estimate).

He's two years younger.
 
Re: Draft Battle: Chris Grant & Danny Ferry .vs. Conventional Board Wisdon

He's two years younger.

I even said it was an estimate and that really wasn't the main thing to focus on in my post
 
Re: Draft Battle: Chris Grant & Danny Ferry .vs. Conventional Board Wisdon

TT is certainly coming into his own and is making me glad, we have him. But let's not get crazy here. Zeller probably isn't going to be better than Jonas. Jonas is better than him right now while being 4 years younger (estimate).

I've said before that I thought Tyler's and Jonas's game may end up being more comparable than JV and TT because at this point they seem to have more similarities. Mainly problems on D due to build/strength, potential to develop a J, ability to run the court, decent touch inside, etc.

I agree it's premature to give Tyler the nod in that comparison.
 
I still think T-Rob is legit. He's extremely skilled and has a relentless motor. It's no secret there is so much talent and potential being squandered on that SAC team. I like Tristan but i feel like that pick forced Grant into a corner where he had to take a guard this year no matter what. He couldn't give up on Tristan after 1 short season by drafting T-Rob or Drummond who's a poor fit playing next to him. We'll see how it pans out. Tristan has worked his butt off (figuratively, literally he still has a happy meal ass).

Unfortunately for us, Drummond appears to be a monster in the making. 18 pts/18 boards in 28 minutes last night :eek:
 
I still think T-Rob is legit. He's extremely skilled and has a relentless motor. It's no secret there is so much talent and potential being squandered on that SAC team. I like Tristan but i feel like that pick forced Grant into a corner where he had to take a guard this year no matter what. He couldn't give up on Tristan after 1 short season by drafting T-Rob or Drummond who's a poor fit playing next to him. We'll see how it pans out. Tristan has worked his butt off (figuratively, literally he still has a happy meal ass).

Unfortunately for us, Drummond appears to be a monster in the making. 18 pts/18 boards in 28 minutes last night :eek:
What guard were we going to take last year if we didnt take TT?
 
What guard were we going to take last year if we didnt take TT?

A core of Kyrie, K. Thompson (or K. Leonard), and Drummond looks pretty damn nice. And both those 2011 wings weren't significantly bigger reaches than TT. But no matter what, we have TT/Dion/Zeller going forward, and I'm excited to cheer them on and watch their development. TT is already exceeding my expectations, so I believe we have reason to be optimistic in Grant's selections.
 
A core of Kyrie, K. Thompson (or K. Leonard), and Drummond looks pretty damn nice. And both those 2011 wings weren't significantly bigger reaches than TT. But no matter what, we have TT/Dion/Zeller going forward, and I'm excited to cheer them on and watch their development. TT is already exceeding my expectations, so I believe we have reason to be optimistic in Grant's selections.

Dion is coming along nicely as well. I posted some of his recent percentages in the Waiters thread earlier today.
 
What guard were we going to take last year if we didnt take TT?

Not saying we had to take a guard last year but when you take a guy like Tristan and stick him at PF your going to have to deal with spacing issues. I just feel like the Tristan pick has had a huge impact on draft strategy this past year and moving forward. It's the reason I think Zeller was taken and it's the reason why Alex Len may be taken this year.

I'm not hating on Tristan. I like the kid and he's played great this year. I'm rooting for him to succeed. I'm just a traditional guy I guess. Give me a PF who can space the floor and hit a 15 footer and a paint clogging center who can block shots.
 
Not saying we had to take a guard last year but when you take a guy like Tristan and stick him at PF your going to have to deal with spacing issues. I just feel like the Tristan pick has had a huge impact on draft strategy this past year and moving forward. It's the reason I think Zeller was taken and it's the reason why Alex Len may be taken this year.

I'm not hating on Tristan. I like the kid and he's played great this year. I'm rooting for him to succeed. I'm just a traditional guy I guess. Give me a PF who can space the floor and hit a 15 footer and a paint clogging center who can block shots.

I think people are constantly projecting about Grant's draft strategy, but I think it's much more simple than people make it out to be. It's not about fit next to Thompson or Irving. If it was, Waiters never would have been chosen because his game is similar to Kyrie's. The way I see it, Grant likes to choose hard-working guys who live for basketball, and he obviously uses advanced metrics as a key part of his evaluation. Thompson and Waiters were both metrics darlings and Grant "reached" for both. Now Tristan is panning out and Dion is coming off of his best overall month as a pro and getting much better at getting to the rim and finishing.

As far as Zeller's selection goes, yes, I think he was selected for fit, but also because he fit the first part of the criteria above. I also don't have a problem with selecting for fit outside the lottery. That's the time to pick a guy who you think will be good and fit in your system as opposed to just picking a guy you think will be really good as you would typically do in the lottery.
 
I think people are constantly projecting about Grant's draft strategy, but I think it's much more simple than people make it out to be. It's not about fit next to Thompson or Irving. If it was, Waiters never would have been chosen because his game is similar to Kyrie's. The way I see it, Grant likes to choose hard-working guys who live for basketball, and he obviously uses advanced metrics as a key part of his evaluation. Thompson and Waiters were both metrics darlings and Grant "reached" for both. Now Tristan is panning out and Dion is coming off of his best overall month as a pro and getting much better at getting to the rim and finishing.

As far as Zeller's selection goes, yes, I think he was selected for fit, but also because he fit the first part of the criteria above. I also don't have a problem with selecting for fit outside the lottery. That's the time to pick a guy who you think will be good and fit in your system as opposed to just picking a guy you think will be really good as you would typically do in the lottery.

Metrics are fantastic but I would hope that CG has some sort of idea of how these pieces are all going to fit. I'm not hating on these picks at all. CG has obviously proven himself competent thus far. All I'm suggesting is that if your going all-in with TT as the PF for years to come then you must play a center who can space the floor if you hope to have any room for Kyrie and Dion to operate. Thus the reason why it's very possible we pass up on a huge upside guy like Noel for an Alex Len.
 

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