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Seems like the picture is becoming a bit clearer as to how the disease was spread:

Sounds like a complete lack of common sense to me, personally. It's inexcusable. These people are supposed to be professionals, whether or not they've dealt with this disease before.
 
I really don't get this.

Don't hospitals have completely over-the-top safety regulations that they must adhere to on a daily basis? How does this work in the medical field?

Being an engineer, everywhere you go is safety, safety, safety. We take every precaution, no matter how silly it seems, to prevent accidents/lost time. If you are working in an area that is elevated more than four feet you have to strap on to something. We have light screens that shut down equipment if you even fart near a piece of machinery. Mostly because if you get injured on the job the company is responsible. If you put one toe out of line in regards to safety, you are severely disciplined or fired.

Do hospitals not have the same regards for safety? If an employee gets sick because of lack of precaution on the hospitals' part, is it not the responsibility of the hospital to compensate for the damages?

Doesn't exactly make sense to me either. When I had my mediport surgically removed (a literal 15 minute process - the simplest of procedures) the surgeon barely brushed one of the cabinets in the OR as he was putting on his sterile gown. He immediately tossed the gown in the trash and started over.

So how a deadly disease is treated so flippantly, I'll never understand.
 
I really don't get this.

Don't hospitals have completely over-the-top safety regulations that they must adhere to on a daily basis? How does this work in the medical field?

Being an engineer, everywhere you go is safety, safety, safety. We take every precaution, no matter how silly it seems, to prevent accidents/lost time. If you are working in an area that is elevated more than four feet you have to strap on to something. We have light screens that shut down equipment if you even fart near a piece of machinery. Mostly because if you get injured on the job the company is responsible. If you put one toe out of line in regards to safety, you are severely disciplined or fired.

Do hospitals not have the same regards for safety? If an employee gets sick because of lack of precaution on the hospitals' part, is it not the responsibility of the hospital to compensate for the damages?


My dad is a hospital inspector. You would be surprised how much negligence there is in the hospital system. Partially I believe it's because the doctors are so smart, there's often a language barrier (not just English) but the doc's primary responsibility is working on his patients, not the prep work.

It's the prep work that's left up to the lead assistants and other workers, and that's where things go very wrong. The doctors are under the assumption that everything is taken care of, and unless there is a scouting report on their desk explicitly saying "clean these violations up or you're license could be suspended" the doctors assume that all the prep work has been taken care of under protocol.


After someone gets a colonoscopy, the scope obviously needs to be sanitized, and properly dried. Then, it is to be hung in a closed cabinet away from everything else. My dad tells me a telltale sign is when you open that cabinet, if there's stains on the bottom of the cabinet from dripping, you know that they didn't/don't follow the proper protocol. Think about that, even if they did sanitize it, maybe there's still something left on there, and when you don't properly dry the scope, you're providing an environment for any hint of bacteria to multiply.

You've come into the hospital clean, and you will leave as a potential host of an illness that you didn't have when you came into the hospital.

This is absolutely no surprise to me. The only thing that's surprising is that someone is dumb enough to take Ebola lightly and sidestep every needed precaution to protect themselves.

How was that allowed? It's not like this was your everyday case, you would think all eyes would be on that particular situation at all times.

It's in those gaps that people's lives are changed
because of the holes in the system, and the disconnect between the doctors and the workers.
 
Doctors and healthcare professionals seem very flippant in regards to their own safety sometimes. They test health care workers phones and find MRSA and stuff like that on them all the time. Ventilation systems in hospitals often leak infected rooms into clean ones all the time. Everything needs redone and re-engineered, but it is very expensive to do this. That is why people are getting sicker and sicker from just going to the hospital
 
President Obama has authorized deployment of the Army National Guard to West Africa to help the active duty guys over there already, at least 4,000 additional troops.

I'll let you know if I hear anything within the next few days.

Bob, I'm also very curious to hear what is in the top 10 in regards to biological threats.

a chunk of people in my group at work are currently putting together the trailers those guys are going to be operating out of. (Screening trailers) the national guard guys have known for a while they are going to be headed over.

also while they are apart of the national guard the group of people going out there are ridiculously smart, most of them have PhDs.

as for the question about threats just do some googling (for my sake).
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/17/ebola-pentagon/17433035/

Ebola scare closes Pentagon parking lot


Authorities cordoned off a portion of a Pentagon parking lot Friday morning after a woman who recently traveled to Africa began vomiting, sparking concerns about a potential Ebola problem.

The incident began around 9:10 a.m. Pentagon police and the Arlington County Fire Department converged on the area and restricted access to it. The woman indicated she had been to Africa where the Ebola virus has killed thousands.

The woman was taken to a hospital in nearby Fairfax County, and a large portion of the parking lot was closed to vehicles and people on foot. An entrance on the south side of the massive Pentagon building was closed as well.

The moves were taken out "of an abundance of caution," said Air Force Lt. Col. Tom Crosson, a Pentagon spokesman.
 
Prediction:

Ebola is as gone as Y2K, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Kony, Trayvon and Ferguson within 6 months
 
Prediction:

Ebola is as gone as Y2K, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Kony, Trayvon and Ferguson within 6 months

While the virus itself can be contained and dealt with in this country in a way that doesn't pose a huge risk of epidemic, it's out of control in Africa and spreading exponentially with lack of space and health workers.

As long as it is spreading down there it poses a risk to United States citizens. It's going to be a bit longer than 6 months before it is extinguished to the point where nobody is worrying about it.

It's also way more horrifying than any of the viruses or events you mentioned.
 
Yeah, but if it's restricted to Africa, American media won't give a shit about it. Because Americans won't give a shit about it.

Just like the last few decades where it was a serious threat there.

Watch...six months. At maximum
 
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Yeah, but if it's restricted to Africa, American media won't give a shit about it. Because Americans won't give a shit about it.

Just like the last few decades where it was a serious threat there.

Watch...six months. At maximum
You do realize we're about a week or two away from having 10x the number of cases reported in any previous year this year alone, right?

This is not going away any time soon, and it just came to Ohio with an assist from extreme government incompetence. Keep dreaming.
 
You do realize we're about a week or two away from having 10x the number of cases reported in any previous year this year alone, right?

This is not going away any time soon, and it just came to Ohio with an assist from extreme government incompetence. Keep dreaming.

Six months.

I'll save your post.
 
I've heard a lot of stories that people get the flu shot and then end up getting the flu basically from it, is that true?

You cannot get the flu from the flu shot, it is inactivated. The only live virus flu vaccination is the intranasal one. That does not mean you cannot have a reaction to the shot and feel a little off for a couple days, but it's better than getting the flu.
 

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