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OBAMA: EBOLA OUTBREAK A THREAT TO GLOBAL SECURITY


BY JIM KUHNHENN
ASSOCIATED PRESS


AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais


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ATLANTA (AP) -- Calling the Ebola outbreak in West Africa a potential threat to global security, President Barack Obama is ordering 3,000 U.S. military personnel to the stricken region amid worries that both the financial and human cost of the outbreak is spiraling out of control.

Obama also called on other countries to quickly supply more helpers, supplies and money.

"If the outbreak is not stopped now, we could be looking at hundreds of thousands of people affected, with profound economic, political and security implications for all of us," Obama said Tuesday after briefings at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"It's a potential threat to global security if these countries break down," Obama said, speaking of the hardest-hit countries of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. At least 2,400 people have died, with Liberia bearing the brunt.

Obama outlined a series of new steps by the U.S. to help contain the outbreak, which he said is getting worse. The steps include sending military personnel, training health care workers and erecting health care facilities in Liberia.

He described the task ahead as "daunting" but said what gives him hope is that "the world knows how to fight this disease."

Obama announced that Maj. Gen. Darryl Williams, head of U.S. Army Africa, will head a military command center based in Liberia.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said the 3,000 troops would not provide direct care to Ebola patients. A substantial number will be stationed at an intermediate base in Senegal, Earnest said, with others at locations in Liberia.

The U.S. effort will include medics and corpsmen for treatment and training, engineers to help erect the treatment facilities and specialists in logistics to assist in patient transportation.

The World Health Organization warned that the number of Ebola cases in West Africa could start doubling every three weeks and that the crisis could end up costing nearly $1 billion to contain. Joanne Liu, president of Doctors Without Borders, said the global response was falling short. "The window of opportunity to contain this outbreak is closing," Liu told a meeting Tuesday at the United Nations in Geneva.

Nearly 5,000 people have become ill from Ebola in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Nigeria and Senegal since it was first recognized in March. WHO says it anticipates that figure could rise to more than 20,000.

With the addition of military personnel, administration officials said that the new U.S. initiatives aim to:

-Train as many as 500 health care workers a week.

-Erect 17 heath care facilities in Liberia of 100 beds each.

-Set up a joint command headquartered in Monrovia, Liberia, to coordinate U.S. and international relief efforts.

-Provide home health care kits to hundreds of thousands, including 50,000 that the U.S. Agency for International Development will deliver to Liberia this week.

-Carry out a home- and community-based campaign to train local populations on handling exposed patients.

Meanwhile, a Senate panel held a hearing on the outbreak in Washington. Expected to testify were Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Dr. Kent Brantly, an American physician who contracted Ebola while working in Liberia but recovered after treatment with an experimental drug. Obama met with Brantly at the White House on Tuesday before departing for Atlanta.

At the hearing, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, declared, "This outbreak has spread in ways that are potentially catastrophic for the world."

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., said urgent action was needed. "We must take the dangerous, deadly threat of the Ebola epidemic as seriously as we take ISIS," he said, referring to the extremist group in Syria and Iraq.

Separately, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said, "Frankly, I'm a bit surprised the administration hasn't acted more quickly to address what is a serious threat, not just to Africa but to others across the world." He predicted action "in the coming weeks" by the executive and legislative branches of government "to look at how do we best contain this very horrible disease."

Obama administration officials said money for the stepped-up effort to combat the disease would come from $500 million in overseas contingency operations, such as the war in Afghanistan, that the Pentagon already has asked Congress to redirect to carry out humanitarian efforts in Iraq and in West Africa. Officials said it would take about two weeks to get U.S. forces on the ground.

Ebola is spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids of sick patients, making doctors and nurses especially vulnerable to contracting the virus, which has no vaccine or approved treatment.

Obama's trip came a day after the United States also demanded a stepped-up international response to the outbreak. The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, called Monday for an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council on Thursday, warning that the potential risk of the virus could "set the countries of West Africa back a generation."

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Associated Press writers Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations and Erica Werner in Washington contributed to this report.
 
What are you trying to tell us, Max?
 
What are you trying to tell us, Max?

That i'm concerned. I was concerned 6 weeks ago when i started this thread. Obama said today "We can't dawdle on this one..." Well then why the hell has he already waited MONTHS to respond? There's no infrastructure or healthcare system down there to contain this. I think the numbers of dead and infected are substantially higher than being reported. Those infected are hiding, escaping from quarantine and spreading it. The numbers are increasing exponentially now. More human to human cases have happened in the last few months than have happened in the previous 1000 years combined. Every time it transmits there's a chance it mutates...that's what viruses do...that's why quick containment is always key. This one is already different than anything we've ever seen. It also has a 21 day freaking incubation period. If it continues, my fear is it will become airborne and weaponized...thanks to good old evolution. Mother nature wins.
 
That i'm concerned. I was concerned 6 weeks ago when i started this thread. Obama said today "We can't dawdle on this one..." Well then why the hell has he already waited MONTHS to respond? There's no infrastructure or healthcare system down there to contain this. I think the numbers of dead and infected are substantially higher than being reported. Those infected are hiding, escaping from quarantine and spreading it. The numbers are increasing exponentially now. More human to human cases have happened in the last few months than have happened in the previous 1000 years combined. Every time it transmits there's a chance it mutates...that's what viruses do...that's why quick containment is always key. This one is already different than anything we've ever seen. It also has a 21 day freaking incubation period. If it continues, my fear is it will become airborne and weaponized...thanks to good old evolution. Mother nature wins.

Sheesh... could you imagine what would happen if ISIS or any of those other Islamist nut job groups got their hands on weaponized Ebola? Nowhere near an exaggeration to say that there would be millions and millions infected and/or killed.
 
That i'm concerned. I was concerned 6 weeks ago when i started this thread. Obama said today "We can't dawdle on this one..." Well then why the hell has he already waited MONTHS to respond? There's no infrastructure or healthcare system down there to contain this. I think the numbers of dead and infected are substantially higher than being reported. Those infected are hiding, escaping from quarantine and spreading it. The numbers are increasing exponentially now. More human to human cases have happened in the last few months than have happened in the previous 1000 years combined. Every time it transmits there's a chance it mutates...that's what viruses do...that's why quick containment is always key. This one is already different than anything we've ever seen. It also has a 21 day freaking incubation period. If it continues, my fear is it will become airborne and weaponized...thanks to good old evolution. Mother nature wins.

I knew this was really about Obama.


This world could use a good pandemic. We're due for some cutting of the fat. Let's all get immunized and all the people who aren't smart enough or can't afford to get immunized will be gone. And they'll infect their pals.

Win-win.
 
Is anyone else concerned about us sending 3000 troops to help combat Ebola? That means 3000 more Americans who could get infected. Not only is that terrible for them, but the chances of it coming over to an entirely new continent increase as well.

Apparently there's some health-care types who don't think it is a good idea because there's too much of a chance of them getting infected. I think that likely depends on exactly what the troops will be doing, but it's a concern.
 
I knew this was really about Obama.


This world could use a good pandemic. We're due for some cutting of the fat. Let's all get immunized and all the people who aren't smart enough or can't afford to get immunized will be gone. And they'll infect their pals.

Win-win.
You better be paying for mine or there will be a purge happening soon.
 
Is anyone else concerned about us sending 3000 troops to help combat Ebola? That means 3000 more Americans who could get infected. Not only is that terrible for them, but the chances of it coming over to an entirely new continent increase as well.

Apparently there's some health-care types who don't think it is a good idea because there's too much of a chance of them getting infected. I think that likely depends on exactly what the troops will be doing, but it's a concern.

Depends on what kind of training these troops are given and precautions taken. If this is being overseeen by US Army doctors then I feel pretty confident. I think that using African peacekeepers to do this is much more likely to up the transmission risk. Closely monitor the force, keep them quarantined for 3 weeks after the mission is over, and you reduce that risk of them returning and starting the zombie plague reduce to very little. Provide them with proper training and proper equipment to prevent getting infected in the first place and you reduce that risk to nil. If this isn't contained, you just leave a fertile breeding ground for an incredibly fatal disease to mutate and become more infectious. That would do much more to increase the liklelyhood of Ebola coming to America and causing an epidemic than trained troops being sent to enact a quarantine and containment effort maybe geting infected, hiding the infection, and somehow infecting numerous others before deciding to seek medical attention.
 
Depends on what kind of training these troops are given and precautions taken. If this is being overseeen by US Army doctors then I feel pretty confident. I think that using African peacekeepers to do this is much more likely to up the transmission risk. Closely monitor the force, keep them quarantined for 3 weeks after the mission is over, and you reduce that risk of them returning and starting the zombie plague reduce to very little. Provide them with proper training and proper equipment to prevent getting infected in the first place and you reduce that risk to nil. If this isn't contained, you just leave a fertile breeding ground for an incredibly fatal disease to mutate and become more infectious. That would do much more to increase the liklelyhood of Ebola coming to America and causing an epidemic than trained troops being sent to enact a quarantine and containment effort maybe geting infected, hiding the infection, and somehow infecting numerous others before deciding to seek medical attention.

That's untrue, and kind of the point of some of the stuff that's been written on this. Highly trained doctors themselves have gotten infected, and they certainly are more aware of the proper precautions than troops are going to be. If it can happen to them, it can happen to the troops. So, I don't want to see our troops anywhere near people who are known to be infected. As in, it is okay to set up facilities, etc., but other than that, forget it. Nor do I want to see them enforcing quarantine, which inevitably is going to require authorization to shoot. If a quarantine needs to be enforced, let someone other than Americans do it, because the whole fucking world will blame us the first time it happens.
 
That i'm concerned. I was concerned 6 weeks ago when i started this thread. Obama said today "We can't dawdle on this one..." Well then why the hell has he already waited MONTHS to respond? There's no infrastructure or healthcare system down there to contain this. I think the numbers of dead and infected are substantially higher than being reported. Those infected are hiding, escaping from quarantine and spreading it. The numbers are increasing exponentially now. More human to human cases have happened in the last few months than have happened in the previous 1000 years combined. Every time it transmits there's a chance it mutates...that's what viruses do...that's why quick containment is always key. This one is already different than anything we've ever seen. It also has a 21 day freaking incubation period. If it continues, my fear is it will become airborne and weaponized...thanks to good old evolution. Mother nature wins.
Makes you wonder what could have happen (or not happen) if took this seriously if we acted a month ago.
Full disclosure, I know max leans right and i do too with regards to economic policy (but not social policy) . I. consider myself a political free agent for whoever I think will do the best job. Take it what whatever it is worth... Unlike the political instability in the Middle East , really think we could have taken more steps than to send troops, but probably don't have much of an option at this point given how long we waited before we got involved
 
What exactly are our troops supposed to do that African troops couldn't do if trained by doctors?
 
The truth starting to leak out...

C.D.C. Estimates Ebola Cases Could Reach 1.4 Million in 4 Months

By DENISE GRADY SEPT. 23, 2014
The New York Times
Yet another set of ominous projections about the Ebola epidemic in West
Africa was released Tuesday, in a report from the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention that gave worst- and best-case estimates for Liberia
and Sierra Leone based on computer modeling.

In the worst-case scenario, Liberia and Sierra Leone could have 21,000
cases of Ebola by Sept. 30 and 1.4 million cases by Jan. 20 if the disease
keeps following its current trajectory, without effective methods to contain
it. These figures take into account the fact that many cases go undetected,
and estimate that there are actually 2.5 times as many as reported.

The report does not include figures for Guinea because case counts
there have gone up and down in ways that cannot be reliably modeled.
In the best-case model — which assumes that the dead are buried safely
and that 70 percent of patients are treated in settings that reduce the risk of
transmission — the epidemic in both countries would be “almost ended” by
Jan. 20, the report said. It showed the proportion of patients now in such
settings as about 18 percent in Liberia and 40 percent in Sierra Leone.
 
It will probably come to something like this in a year...just on a much larger scale.

 
The truth starting to leak out...

C.D.C. Estimates Ebola Cases Could Reach 1.4 Million in 4 Months

By DENISE GRADY SEPT. 23, 2014
The New York Times
Yet another set of ominous projections about the Ebola epidemic in West
Africa was released Tuesday, in a report from the Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention that gave worst- and best-case estimates for Liberia
and Sierra Leone based on computer modeling.

In the worst-case scenario, Liberia and Sierra Leone could have 21,000
cases of Ebola by Sept. 30 and 1.4 million cases by Jan. 20 if the disease
keeps following its current trajectory, without effective methods to contain
it. These figures take into account the fact that many cases go undetected,
and estimate that there are actually 2.5 times as many as reported.

The report does not include figures for Guinea because case counts
there have gone up and down in ways that cannot be reliably modeled.
In the best-case model — which assumes that the dead are buried safely
and that 70 percent of patients are treated in settings that reduce the risk of
transmission — the epidemic in both countries would be “almost ended” by
Jan. 20, the report said. It showed the proportion of patients now in such
settings as about 18 percent in Liberia and 40 percent in Sierra Leone.

If we would have gotten on top of this real quickly, perhaps 3000 troops might have been able to stop this thing. But it is spread over such a large area that they're just a drop in the bucket. I've read in some places that they're going to be building treatment facilities, etc., and that's fine. But I don't know why you need American military personnel to do that.

And all that stuff about undetected cases...that's just why our people won't be safe.
 

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