Farewell Tyler White Diamonds Zeller

[germancav]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Buckeye fan I presume?

I dont care about the Buckeyes but Sullinger is younger and clearly the better player... Zeller is the better fit but in our miserable situation you just have to take the risk and trade to get Sullinger. Sullinger has the potential to be one of the best players of this draft and he would have been an absolute steal if we picked him somewhere in the early 20s

 

[Ernie McCracken]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

I think zeller is a very solid pickup, and it was a good move to trade up for him. imo he'll only be an average defender, but he will run well with kyrie, develop a good 17-18 foot jumper, and be a capable low post scorer. giving up 24, 33, and 34 just shows how hard it is to move up, and how unrealistic some of our expectations were.

 

[CleveRocks]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

I get the ambivalence toward Zeller when there were some really good prospects on the board, but Sullinger did not come ready, and had the back flag. I think there were some very good players in the lower half of this draft, but I think Zeller was a solid use of 17. I think he will start, and I think he will be something like Z but with better feet.

 

[Snarly]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

I dont care about the Buckeyes but Sullinger is younger and clearly the better player... Zeller is the better fit but in our miserable situation you just have to take the risk and trade to get Sullinger. Sullinger has the potential to be one of the best players of this draft and he would have been an absolute steal if we picked him somewhere in the early 20s

While Yes I agree with you. However we got a true center and His worst case Is a solid back up center. Sullinger fits the Celtics needs perfect and I am Happy he went there. We Need not even another PF, Andy Is a true Power Forward himself... That fact of Having Zeller Is going to cause teams headaches like Hibbert did because of size and skill alone. With Waiters and Irving having AV/Zeller/TT sounds A LOT better than Sullinger/AV/TT.

 

[germancav]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

While Yes I agree with you. However we got a true center and His worst case Is a solid back up center. Sullinger fits the Celtics needs perfect and I am Happy he went there. We Need not even another PF, Andy Is a true Power Forward himself... That fact of Having Zeller Is going to cause teams headaches like Hibbert did because of size and skill alone. With Waiters and Irving having AV/Zeller/TT sounds A LOT better than Sullinger/AV/TT.

Varejao is not going to be of any importance once the Cavs are good again. Injuries/Age wont allow him to be...

Sullinger is already better then Zeller, plus he is 2 years younger... And if Sullinger´s back turns out to be ok he is going to be a lot better then TT aswell. What I would have liked to see is getting Sullinger and pair him with one of the great Centers of the 2013 Draft class. Then play Kyrie-Waiters-Gee-Sullinger-2013 Center (ie Noel)

Now we are going to be stuck in mediocrity unless Waiters turns out to be D-Wade/Westbrook. I dont have a problem with Waiters, that pick is OK with me but trading 3 picks for a 22 years old Center that is simply not having the potential to become a true force at his position while ignoring Sullinger is simply a terrible move for me.

A PF/C combination of TT and Zeller is the best thing if you want to become a average team that is fighting for the playoffs...

What great SF´s are there in the 2013 Draft Class?

If we are lucky we get the chance to pick one of the great centers like Noel or Adams or we could get lucky and land Shabazz Muhammad who is a SG. Then we have either wasted the pick on Waiters or the pick on Zeller.

 

[Snarly]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Varejao is not going to be of any importance once the Cavs are good again. Injuries/Age wont allow him to be...

Sullinger is already better then Zeller, plus he is 2 years younger... And if Sullinger´s back turns out to be ok he is going to be a lot better then TT aswell. What I would have liked to see is getting Sullinger and pair him with one of the great Centers of the 2013 Draft class. Then play Kyrie-Waiters-Gee-Sullinger-2013 Center (ie Noel)

Now we are going to be stuck in mediocrity unless Waiters turns out to be D-Wade/Westbrook. I dont have a problem with Waiters, that pick is OK with me but trading 3 picks for a 22 years old Center that is simply not having the potential to become a true force at his position while ignoring Sullinger is simply a terrible move for me.

A PF/C combination of TT and Zeller is the best thing if you want to become a average team that is fighting for the playoffs...

What great SF´s are there in the 2013 Draft Class?

If we are lucky we get the chance to pick one of the great centers like Noel or Adams or we could get lucky and land Shabazz Muhammad who is a SG. Then we have either wasted the pick on Waiters or the pick on Zeller.

Well In terms of Zeller he Points us to something solid at 17 and that Is great... I will be honest I am not to sure on the SF's In the upcoming Draft but I heard there will be A few studs. I am not In a position to talk anyone In depth In next years Draft. However this year Sullinger Is a great pick for the Celtics and would not have worked here. Zeller Is the right pick even If sullinger becomes better. And For terms Of Shabazz then Waiters becomes our harden or back up PG in Crunch time. As for Noel I would LOVE to add himm. A Zeller, Noel, TT, AV (for now) would look amazing. Noel Compliments Zeller perfectly I would love the Dynamic of this team If that Is our pick.

 

[Kouki]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Good call. I'd be very happy if Zeller can produce similar to Hibbert. My point still remains.... There just aren't many seniors that make it anymore.

There's a reason for that.....all the best players go one and done. You are looking at a correlation and not a causation.

 

[Jezzar]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Now that I'm not drunk, I feel I can put something together that is not fueled by rage.

I don't hate the pick. Zeller is good value at 17 and he's not your prototypical white center in terms of being slow and stiff. He runs the break as well as any big in the NBA and he's pretty agile for a 7 footer. Very skilled player offensively too. Fills up a position that is very hard to fill up.

What I don't like is the trade. There is no way Dallas passes on 24+34 for 17, IMO, and it sounds like we overbid ourselves. I don't mind Azubuike but it looks like he's done. You can make a case that he'd be a great addition if he returns to his former self but that is not very likely at this point. We paid too steep of a price to move up 7 spots, while there were a lot of good players available at 24 as well.

I feel like we would be better off taking a chance on Perry Jones. At that far down the 1st round, you can't pass on a guy with so much talent whatever the downside may be. Same goes for Sully. Nobody is going to lose a job because they couldn't hit on a 24th pick, but somebody may look like a genius if Jones and/or Sully pans out.

Zeller is a much safer pick than any of the guys we could have had at 24, however, he has a much lower ceiling as well. I can see him being a solid mobile center with good shooting percentages and decent defense, but not more. It is a good thing that he's a really smart kid though, I'm fed up with dumbass teens who think they are entitled to stuff.

 

[Noonan]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

This pick goes out to everyone complaining that taking TT would make it incredibly hard to find a skilled center who could hit the mid range jumper to spread the floor.

Not only can Zeller do that, but his advanced defensive rebounding numbers are very good (those typically translate well to the NBA) and he will immediately be one of the best 7 footers in the league at running the floor.

The most important takeaway from this draft is that the pieces fit. Kyrie/Waiters/TT/Zeller form a unit that compliment each other and have the potential to be the foundation for this franchise for a long time.

 

[nime]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Zeller needs to start at C. With Andy at PF.

Should help Andy stay healthy....hopefully.

Kyrie and Waiters in the backcourt should be fun.

They need another top 5 pick next year

 

[sailfish]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Interesting quote:

Tim Kawakami ‏@timkawakami
One byte: Lacob said Ezeli was clearly better than Zeller in their group GSW workout. "He killed him. I mean, he’s much stronger."
Retweeted by Sam Amick

I happen to love the Zeller pick. While not spectacular, he's very solid fundamentally, he runs the floor well, and he can be a starting center in the NBA. He might free up the Cavaliers to trade Varejao eventually.

 

[MYoung23]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Here's the problem with Tyler Zeller. He's the kind of guy you get when you have a big time PF. A Bosh, Duncan, Griffin, Garnett, etc. The Cavaliers have Tristan Thompson whom no amount of fanboy wishing can turn into Karl Malone.

I was asked here over a month ago about Zeller and I didnt think he was a good enough prospect. Is Zeller a bum? No. Is he the answer i.e good enough in the long term when you factor in Thompson? No. You can talk about fit all you want. Hell, people made the case that Spencer Hawes fit. Im talking about the larger picture and the grand scheme.

When you look at the talent level of teams that win titles and viably compete for them the Cavaliers are still roughly in the same place. You have Irving, now 2 complimentary role playing big men and they're hoping Dion Waters is either special or really damn multi-time All Star good (with that Im Wait-and-See).

Chris Grant still has a lot of work to do.

 

[Noonan]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

When you look at the talent level of teams that win titles and viably compete for them the Cavaliers are still roughly in the same place. You have Irving, now 2 complimentary role playing big men

Your ability to know the developmental arch of two guys who have combined to play less than 60 NBA games is impressive.

 

[Adam]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

With zeller the cavs are not bound to him having to be their starting C for the next 10 years. He is basically developed and they know what they've got. If next year rolls round and they are in a position to draft a C as the BPA then they can do it and split teh time before moving zeller to another team. He is a high character guy who will understand the business

 

[sailfish]

Re: 17th Pick - Tyler Zeller

Here's the problem with Tyler Zeller. He's the kind of guy you get when you have a big time PF. A Bosh, Duncan, Griffin, Garnett, etc. The Cavaliers have Tristan Thompson whom no amount of fanboy wishing can turn into Karl Malone.

I was asked here over a month ago about Zeller and I didnt think he was a good enough prospect. Is Zeller a bum? No. Is he the answer i.e good enough in the long term when you factor in Thompson? No. You can talk about fit all you want. Hell, people made the case that Spencer Hawes fit. Im talking about the larger picture and the grand scheme.

When you look at the talent level of teams that win titles and viably compete for them the Cavaliers are still roughly in the same place. You have Irving, now 2 complimentary role playing big men and they're hoping Dion Waters is either special or really damn multi-time All Star good (with that Im Wait-and-See).

Chris Grant still has a lot of work to do.

I actually think Zeller is a very nice fit in our frontcourt. We don't back a lot of guys there who can put the ball in the hole. That's one thing that Zeller can do, whether with his back to the basket or facing up. Both Andy & Tristan are offensively-challenged, so he's a nice compliment to either of them. He shoots 81% from the free throw line, which will help offset Tristan's low average from the stripe. As intrigued as I was by Andre Drummond, could you imagine having two atrocious free throw shooters on the same frontline? Talk about a liability at the end of games.

He's not a franchise center, but he's a starting-caliber center in the NBA and another building block going forward. Remember, Zeller was player of the year the past two years in the ACC, where there's alot of good players.