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Four Team Deal Sends Howard to Lakers

Discussion in 'Around The NBA' started by Soar, Jul 14, 2012.

  1. TrueCavsFan2

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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Still a good team with a good record (though they lost watson, got teague)

    Bucks are better

    Pacers will be better

    We're better than toronto but they got better.

    So 2 playoff teams and 1 that just missed? Not that easy of a division.
     
  2. pinoycavsfan

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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    ive been following this thread for some time now.. just want to know if ever we dont get bynum via trade this year, would it be possible to offer him a max contract next year?
     
  3. sailfish

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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Sure, as long as he doesn't sign an extension with the Lakers or the team to which he is traded, which appears very unlikely, at this point.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Is including Tyler Zeller the hold up? If I was ORL, I'm guessing that he's the best young player he can get out of a Cavs/Magic/Lakers scenario. I wonder if this thing will get done some time around August 6th.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    My guess is the main holdup at this point is waiting out the Asik offer sheet situation. Once that's resolved Orlando will be able to see what Houston's real final offer is. After that, they will likely need to wait until 8/5 or 8/6 when some rookies can be traded for the thing to be done. I give it another two weeks. (And usually when I write something like that whatever I'm writing about happens in about two hours!)
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Toronto's not in our division.....
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Terrible outlook. Look at OKC. They went low seed, guys developed then kept moving up. Bynum would (if healthy) mean we have the best youn PG in the league (and IMHO) the BEST C in the League. And yes that makes us better than a lot of teams even if we start rookies. I'd rather see that group make a run. Then make a serious run as we fill in holes a la OKC.

    If you want to root for a team that gets the 1st pick every year ask Donald Sterling to start another team (or wait til CP3 and Co leave).
     
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  8. sailfish

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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    I think we'll see a deal along these lines:

    To LA Lakers
    Dwight Howard
    Quentin Richardson

    To Houston
    Andrew Bynum
    Josh McRoberts
    Jason Richardson
    Chris Duhon

    To Orlando
    Kevin Martin
    Shaun Livingston
    Marcus Morris
    Royce White
    Jeremy Lamb
    2 1st round picks (1 from HOU, 1 from LA)
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Don't know if this has been said...but Dwight reportedly will not under any circumstances sign an extension because he can sign in free agency for a longer (5 year contract opposed to a 3 year) and more lucrative deal.

    Same thing with Bynum. He won't sign an extension anywhere either. We could take the gamble and get him in the trade, but we would be at his mercy because he would enter free agency. If we get him, he could sign for 5 years to stay with the Cavs or sign for 4 years to another team. Likewise even if Bynum goes to Houston we have a chance in free agency and offer him a 4 year deal.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    I got that info from this article btw...

    Terry Pluto's Talkin' about Dion Waiters, Andrew Bynum, the Browns, Tribe and more | cleveland.com
    Terry Pluto's Talkin' about Dion Waiters, Andrew Bynum, the Browns, Tribe and more
    Published: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 10:11 PM Updated: Sunday, July 22, 2012, 1:47 PM
    Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
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    ABOUT THE CAVALIERS:

    "1. There are at least 20 million reasons, and there could be more than 40 million reasons why Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum won't sign contract extensions to help complete a trade. That's right, 40 million, as in about $40 million. Or at least $20 million, as in one year's salary.

    2. Howard and Bynum are under contract through the 2012-13 season. If they are traded and sign an extension now, it can be for no longer than THREE years.

    3. That's why Howard's agent has said his client has no interest in signing an extension now. He'll wait for free agency. The new labor agreement changed the rules on players signing extensions before free agency. It made it wiser for players to wait to become free agents because they can sign longer, more lucrative deals.

    4. Bynum is expected to follow the same path as Howard. Why sign a three-year deal in the $60 million range when he can wait a year, and sign for more than $100 million over five seasons, depending on his decision of where to play.

    5. If Bynum is traded to the Cavs, and becomes a free agent in 2013, he can sign with them for FIVE YEARS.

    6. If Bynum is traded to the Cavs, becomes a free agent and wants to sign with another team...it can be for FOUR YEARS.

    7. This is why every proposed deal for Howard has been a mess. He won't commit to a contract now because he can get so much more later. Yes, Howard can be traded to the Lakers. He can even say he really wants to sign with the Lakers -- but not until he's a free agent. But a lot of things can change in a year. Cavs fans know all about verbal agreements/promises/hints or whatever from when Carlos Boozer bolted Cleveland.

    8. The Cavs can trade for Bynum, wait a year and hope he signs with them for five years in 2013. But there are no promises, as he could go elsewhere even if it's only for four years.

    9. Do the Cavs want Bynum? Of course. He's 24, a legitimate 7-foot center who averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds for the Lakers last season. There are issues with Bynum. He has a cranky knee. He seems to float in some games. He has missed 83 games over the past four seasons because of injuries. But, yes, they want him. So do most NBA teams.

    10. This from ESPN: "The longest Howard could sign an extension, according to ESPN Insider's Larry Coon, would be two years if he signed with Orlando . . . or it can be three years if he signed after being traded. If he waits until his current deal expires, Howard would be eligible to sign a new five-year deal for as much as $116.9 million."

    11. The same basic math applies to Bynum. So if the Cavs deal for Bynum, they have to view him as a one-year rental and hope to convince him to sign with them in summer 2013.

    12. It makes no sense for the Cavs to give up much in the way of draft picks and young players. That's what Orlando would want as part of a three-team deal sending Howard to the Lakers. If Orlando and the Lakers want to assemble a blockbuster trade and the Cavs can take on some veterans and add some drafts, they are interested.

    13. The Lakers have no interest in trading Bynum anywhere unless they can get Howard as part of the deal. The Lakers are willing to take a chance on Howard for the last year of his contract, figuring he'll want to stay in L.A. and chase titles with Kobe Bryant. And they could be right. But Bynum could end up anywhere, and he wants the freedom to choose. That's why it's very doubtful he will end up in Cleveland."

    This would be the first actual explanation to why Dwight isn't committing to signing an extension when/if he's traded.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    I really don't feel that Bynum fits the mold of the type of player that Grant is looking for or building this team with. He just seems to play when he feels like it rather than all the time. I feel the same way about him as I do with Dwight. On the right team with the appropriate amount of talent, they can be Championship quality but I don't think that either of them really possess the type of will to win that can lead a team to that level. He's a legitimate big man talent which is hard to find but I'd rather just stay the course to be honest. We may be in the dumps another season or two because of it but I don't see him staying healthy and I don't like his attitude thus far in his career.
     
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    Acquiring Bynum would be somewhat reminiscent of when the Cavs traded for Shawn Kemp in the late 90's. Kemp, when properly motivated, was a beast. Ditto Bynum. My concern is what happens on a losing club, as he would likely be on here in Cleveland, at least initially. Does he remain motivated? Does he continue to struggle with injuries??

    Unfortunately, I could see Bynum go in the tank in Cleveland, similar to the way Shawn Kemp did. This team is headed in the right direction. I think we need to just stay the course.
     
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    otoh, Bynum is looking for his chance to "be the man", and we can't say whether he'll step up in the role until given the chance. When Bryant missed games for the Lakers, Bynum tended to do just that. And it's not like he needed a great PG to set him up ... lol
     
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    I think bynums motivation issues are caused by his environment. Watching Bynum closely it is easy to see why he gets frustrated. To get in perfect position19 out of 20 times only to have Kobe throw up an off balanced jumper with a hand in his face has to be frustrating and make you wonder what is the point. With my running that team the problem will only be exacerbated.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    You would think Terry Pluto would at least read the Coon FAQ if not the actual CBA before writing an article about it. An extension with a trade only adds two years, not three.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    His wording was fuzzy enough to not preclude that. If Bynum signed an extension after being traded to the Cavs we would have him locked up for the next 3 seasons.

    Anyway, the value of the extra year is a bit nebulous if the player in question has a good shot at staying healthy enough to sign another max deal. And the tradeoffs in risk are numerous:

    What if he suffers a career ending injury this season?
    What's the optimal age for him to sign his last max deal?

    The year to year raises are potentially a bigger deal, because assuming he can keep inking max deals, they're what will limit what he ultimately gets paid.
     
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    Re: Three-Way ORL/LAL/Cavs Rumor

    Lessens the chance for the Rockets to do something stupid for a one year Dwight rental.

    Asik at the price is not an asset.
     
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    It changes nothing in terms of us (Rockets) going after Dwight. Morey took into account both RFA signings and Amnesty'd Scola accordingly.

    Dwight will not be 100% to start the season after back surgery so we needed a capable starter regardless. and you said Asik at $8 million per (which is his cap hold) isn't an asset? The Bucks traded us a a pick swap for Dalembert who made $9 million last year and this year. Centers are a premium position thus landing that idiot McGee 11 million per and DeAndre Jordan $10 million.
     

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