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I love Mark Shapiro but that quote...
 
The Blue Jays and AA are the same team that traded Noah Syndergaard and Travis d'Arnaud for RA Dickey, so maybe he has a point.
 
Shapiro is going to need to realize that he needs to sell out and "go for it."

He'll learn when he watches the Jays parade roll through the streets of Toronto this year.
 
Shapiro is going to need to realize that he needs to sell out and "go for it."

He'll learn when he watches the Jays parade roll through the streets of Toronto this year.
Is that before or after the Indians championship parade that he helped build?
 
I know I'd much rather have five straight years of Wild Card game losses and Wild Card game near misses, than 2-3 of ALCS and WS contention.

He scolded them. When it comes to building a middle of the road MLB team with an above average farm system it doesn't get any more credible than Mark Shapiro.
 
The Blue Jays likely would have made the playoffs even without Tulo, and the David Price trade wouldn't have been as necessary if they didn't "go for it" by trading Syndergaard when he was a prospect for RA Dickey a couple years ago.

There isn't a problem occasionally trading top prospects to help you make a run, but there is going to be a problem if you keep doing it.
 
The moves by AA were done to save his job and 'win now', and I think that was his beef. Those prospects matter when Price walks away this off-season.
 
The moves by AA were done to save his job and 'win now', and I think that was his beef. Those prospects matter when Price walks away this off-season.

Exactly.

It's nice that he won Executive of the Year, but he spent the year making those bold moves because the others were complete and total flops.
 
Shapiro, meanwhile, wanted control. Wouldn’t you? The consensus in baseball was that Shapiro had been pushed upstairs from the GM job in Cleveland after 65- and 69-win seasons. Running the business operations of the Cleveland Indians — 29th, 29th, 28th, 29th, 24th and 30th in attendance the past six years — doesn’t seem like the job of a lifetime. Shortly after he was hired by the Jays, word began filtering through baseball that Shapiro was telling people he couldn’t wait to get back into player personnel. You can be sure Rogers gave him that power.

And that’s where it broke. In a face-to-face meeting with the senior members of the Jays’ front office, Shapiro said he strongly disagreed with some of the deadline choices that sent prospects out. The initial contract offer to Anthopoulos, according to an official who was briefed on the talks, was a two-year deal, with the second year an option.

It was an insult. By the time Rogers tried to give Anthopoulos a five-year contract, it was already too late.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...nsible-for-this-ridiculous-ending-arthur.html
 
Meh. Anthopolus is pledging people for fools. He traded for a talent he knew could not be retained in Price. Price is going to the highest bidder. He knew the Blue Jays would and could not be. Yet even before he left there were unsourced rumors that AA ' wanted to keep Price but it wasn't his decision.' So basically he dealt for a player he knew he couldn't retain, then was passing the buck for that decision even before he left.

Like I said, he mortgaged the Jays future for a playoff run and for whatever reason the Jays let an impending FA GM make long-term decisions. Anthopolus looks golden, leaving on a high note despite that contention being unsustainable. Morale: don't let your GM operate on a one year deal and if ya do, don't let him deal away your farm system on a one year run.
 
Shapiro will be fired within three years.
 
LOL Jimmy Haslam doesn't own the Blue Jays.

Wish he did. Then they'd fucking suck and be one less team the Indians could run into in the wild card playoff.
 
Meh. Anthopolus is pledging people for fools. He traded for a talent he knew could not be retained in Price. Price is going to the highest bidder. He knew the Blue Jays would and could not be. Yet even before he left there were unsourced rumors that AA ' wanted to keep Price but it wasn't his decision.' So basically he dealt for a player he knew he couldn't retain, then was passing the buck for that decision even before he left.

Like I said, he mortgaged the Jays future for a playoff run and for whatever reason the Jays let an impending FA GM make long-term decisions. Anthopolus looks golden, leaving on a high note despite that contention being unsustainable. Morale: don't let your GM operate on a one year deal and if ya do, don't let him deal away your farm system on a one year run.

Meh. The Jays have as many resources as any of the big market clubs-- re: Price. Toronto is one of the biggest markets in North America and the Blue Jays popularity exploded this year from coast to coast. It was a good gamble and the price wasn't exactly steep, either, for both Tulo and Price.

Let's not get carried away here about the Blue Jays bare farm system and unsustainable contention. This is a farm system, even after the trades, with Reid-Foley, Pentecost, Pompey, Alford, Harris, Tellez, Greene and Vlad Jr. I don't think he mortgaged their future whatsoever.

About the Blue Jays unsustainable contention? Pompey (22 y/o), Pillar (26), Tulo (31), Goins (27), Encarnacion (32), Donaldson (29), Travis (24), Colabello (32), Martin (32), Cecil (29), Hendriks (26), Hutchison (25), Osuna (20), Sanchez (23), Stroman (24). That's a lot of players in the prime of their careers....

AA had his ups and downs. Obviously the Syndergaard/d'Arnaud for Dickey trade is one he wants back. But he pulled a heist on Oakland by acquiring Donaldson and same with Detroit by getting Devon Travis. Fact is, none of those deals are possible without AA acquiring the prospects needed to complete those deals. Same thing with the Reyes/Buehrle trade with Miami a few years back. Everyone says the Blue Jays emptied their farm after every trade and yet AA replenishes it year after year-- Billy Beane does this all the time. I think AA is a loss for the Blue Jays.
 
Pretty brutal article. I wonder which GMs they talked to?

"What have they won in Cleveland? Have they won a World Series since 1948?” asked one puzzled GM on Thursday. “Have they won anything since Shapiro and Chris Antonetti took over? No, they have never won anything in Cleveland and they will never win anything in Cleveland because they over value prospects in a very dramatic way.
“They are worse to deal with than the Los Angeles Dodgers when every minor leaguer was going to be the NL rookie of the year. Shapiro probably doesn’t like the fact that the Blue Jays went for it because they never go for it.”


http://m.torontosun.com/2015/10/29/jays-not-getting-anthopoulos-to-re-sign-is-shameful


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