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Game 41 | Cleveland @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

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Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Shit, I am really pissed that this site's inability to handle so many users at one time forced me to go read what other fans thought on CavFagnatic.

This game truly hurt. What a piss poor game by both teams until they realized it was an actual game. I truly thought we won when LBJ went off in the 4th, I was pounding my chest, screaming on the inside (my mom was asleep) and making my dog look at me like I am a complete retard. Then, in an instance, gone. Parker choked, Z choked. If they would have just fouled, that kid probably wouldn't have sent it into OT and if he did so what, they had no Boozer, attack the paint.

Screw this shit, this game was nothing but heartache...sure in the grand scheme of things, this rookie will always have this moment, but in 2 weeks time he is going to be back in the D League, never to be heard from again. Sadly, that is true.

I blame no one but the piss poor play of our team for this loss. Way to fuck up a golden moment to get even more distance from you and the Celtics. Sure, we still have the 1 seed because of the old, injured Celtics. But this freaking stings.

No one even tried to defend in the paint until it mattered, it was clear LBJ was having an off night and no one stepped up. Where the fuck was Mo? Paging Mo...wake the fuck up, you are too valuable to this team.

What the fuck was up with all the fouls? That second half was choppy as hell, no one could get into a groove until that epic fail by the Cavs.

I must say fuck the turnovers and fuck this team's mindset during this game. You didn't have to be in ft mode to win the game if you limited the fucking turnovers. You let a rookie beat you because you succumbed to the crowd....and boo to you Jazz fans, cheering like school girls when LBJ came up limping. This is a fucking sport, its entertainment....most classy sports fans don't wish injury to anyone.


You know what's even sadder? I am so ADHD for basketball, I am going to look for an upload of this game with the missing 2 minutes TNT decided to not show...and on top of that, rewatch the entire game because my DVR fucked up. Here's a story, my mom was watching tv and on ocassion, it would pixelate or freeze....I thought about restarting the DVR, but I put it on TNT for the first game and it never did it. So I thought maybe just that channel, I even tried to call the cable company but I can't deal with automated things. Everything was good until the fucking third when, like a computer stream. It would freeze, but it really didn't take away from the fucking fail of a game. That and it pixelated for a milisecond every 5 minutes or so. Nothing drastic, nothing missed, game wise. But I am such a fucking homer, I got to rewatch this fucking shit.

Good god, I am pissed and this is a rant with too many fucks in it. Oh well fuck it.....

Yes. Many times at the end of games you cannot get into this place. Something is terribly wrong when that happens.

The Cavs totally did NOT deserve to win this game. It's not one player's fault either. It was a total team effort of futility and lack of passion and desire for the first 45 minutes of the game. Hell; the Cavs would not have been close to winning if not for the 3 point bombs thrown up by LeBron that happened to go in. We lose by the same 3 point bomb, so it evened out. Besides, blowing a seven point lead with less than one minute to go is something that piss poor teams do all the time. We deserved to lose. Lack of focus throughout the game that the 23 turnovers show. Lack of desire as the many 2nd chance points and lost loose balls show.

The numbers of questionable decisions at the end of the game are too numerous to write.

You would have thought we would have been very up and ready to play the Jazz. We weren't. We lost.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Wow, it's the next day and I still feel like puking.

Off to class...ugh.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Glad I turned this off to go to sleep...but of course I had to replay the last minute..
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

i'd still like to know why we let west coast teams push us around (sometimes). Last night was the same way, the Jazz played some hard nosed defense and made us pick up the tempo when that was the last thing we should have done. Delonte proved it in the 2nd quarter when he took the game in his hands for a little while. All around that was a team loss, we didn't box out for shit, we gave them tons of second chance points, while we didn't bother to try to get the offensive rebounds. Watch out Clippers, here comes a pissed off Cavs team
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Tough game in a tough arena at the tail end of a tough road trip. I'm not losing any sleep over it.

If they're still unfocused like this on Tuesday against Toronto, that's another matter.

I do, however, fully expect the Cavs to beatdown the Clippers to end the road trip. :D
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

I don't chime in very often but the Utah game was really annoying. I think it showed in microcosm some of the Cavaliers worst flaws.

First, Mo Williams is simply not a championship caliber player. Not only in terms of ability but also in killer instinct. I saw him laughing at the end of the game as the team started to walk to the locker room after the winning 3-point shot. Not the reaction I want to see.

It's clear that Mike Brown can't win close games that matter against coaches that are smarter than he is. This will kill us like it did against Orlando deep in the playoffs. LeBron should have been shooting those final free throws. If we don't have confidence in anyone else throwing an in-bound pass then I recommend the Cavaliers come visit our local community college team and get lessons from their coach.

I hope I"m wrong and something changes because I think the Cavs ARE a championship caliber team BUT with a flawed coach and needing a team leader who can keep them focused 48 minutes a game.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Has no one mentioned or thought about why Parker was not pressed up on Gaines? He just gave him a three or four foot cushion and then stepped up as he was shooting. It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't run him off the three or make it tough for him to catch it when they had the other guy in such a bad spot.

Oh yeah, I could be completely wrong but I don't see Mo Williams as a NBA Championship PG.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Shit, I am really pissed that this site's inability to handle so many users at one time forced me to go read what other fans thought on CavFagnatic.

Well, you know what, this site is provided by a couple of dudes putting up their own money and scraping by through user donations and whatever ad revenue can keep up. It's not funded by a multi-million dollar corporation like the Cavaliers.

So, if you don't think that this site is "up to your standards", why don't you pony up some cash to help it keep going and donate, or head over and live at CavFanatic.

We won't miss you.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

I did have to wait and little while to access the site, but it would be nice if Glen and company could be funded by somebody. This site can help someone make quite a bit of money, at least for the next 3-5 months.

It's the best forum I've ever been on. And is there only one way to donate? 'Cause I've been sending money quite a few times, the most recent was $25 yesterday...
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Cavs absolutely deserved that L. Missing 3 free throws in the last 30 seconds, allowing 42 points in the 4th, committing 20+ turnovers. It’s a tired cliché, but they didn’t lose the game at the buzzer. Bron scored 18 points in the lasts 3:30 mins of the game. If that’s what he needs to do in tight games, the Cavs ain’t winning shit.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Its how we rebound and forget about this game is how we tell what this team is really made of.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

I think we're going to have to face reality eventually and just accept that Mo Williams isn't as good as we thought he was. No, this is not reactionary just to this game, he's just not reliable. Some days he's great, other days he's garbage. If Gibson would have played Mo's minutes we would have won by 10.

Mo shooting around 30% in the last four games, 44% FG this season is a bit lower than I'd hoped for.

Quick comment on this - the problem with Mo is he is super hot or super cold. It "averages" out to decent percentages but it's so up or down I just don't think you can rely on Mo as a true 2nd option.

It's not really his fault either, he is a jump-shooter and even the best jump-shooter is streaky. We are forcing him into a role he shouldn't be in.

Mo would be a great 3rd option type player.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Has no one mentioned or thought about why Parker was not pressed up on Gaines? He just gave him a three or four foot cushion and then stepped up as he was shooting. It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't run him off the three or make it tough for him to catch it when they had the other guy in such a bad spot.

Oh yeah, I could be completely wrong but I don't see Mo Williams as a NBA Championship PG.

Its possibly because Parker just made a couple of bone headed fouls at the end of the shot clock just prior to the last play? The Jazz were going after Parker at the end of the game.
 
Re: Game 41 | Turnovers @ Utah | January 14, 2010 | 10:30 EST

Quick comment on this - the problem with Mo is he is super hot or super cold. It "averages" out to decent percentages but it's so up or down I just don't think you can rely on Mo as a true 2nd option.

It's not really his fault either, he is a jump-shooter and even the best jump-shooter is streaky. We are forcing him into a role he shouldn't be in.

Mo would be a great 3rd option type player.

As I have said all along Delonte should have been groomed to be the starter at the PG spot. Getting Mo was good and I like Mo alot, but I never thought he was a #2 money player on a great team. We got Mo for basically taking on his contract. I think the fact that Mo had some of his absolute best games against the Cavs the season before they got him played a part in the Cavs willingness to trade for him.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Delonte is a #2 scoring option for the long haul either, but Mo is just a pure shooter much like a Jason Terry or Ben Gordon. They are streaky and are great great 6th men type players. They all can play starters minutes but don't be surprised when they are not on the court. Mo can do what he does coming off the bench. Having Delonte as the Point Guard and then a player like Stephen Jackson or another good player at the #2 or #4 would have been ideal in my eyes (and then having Mo off the bench).

To me, Delonte plays at this best when he plays with the best. I don't think he has the personality to truly take advantage of playing against backups. If he is the backup pg, he usually tries to set up teammates rather than utilizing his strengths to be a scoring guard.

We are stuck with Mo, so lets get over that. Starting Delonte and Mo together might help to be honest. I know everyone is against this but the best scenario would be to start Delonte and Parker and have Mo off the bench as instant offense. People said they wanted Delonte's hustle off the bench. I guess I am in the minority I rather have Delonte's hustle all the time and Mo's streakiness coming off the bench.

I hope Mo becomes more consistent as the season moves on much like the rest of the team needs to. I hope I can eat my words along with some popcorn watching the cavs win a 4th time in that playoff series against the west's best!
 

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