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Grantland on the Cavs (2 new pieces on K-Love)

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Yes agree with that -- wasn't putting it up for that aside about the Cavs, but more for the point about how rotations/minutes/depth are key to handling the physical demands of a motion offense. I hadn't thought about that.

Yeah. Hopefully we start seeing some more consistent contributions from our bench as the season wears on. If we could get more out of Marion and Miller (or even Harris), it would be a big help to our team, especially during the regular season.

I'm not going to complain about Delly and Thompson, though. Delly has led the team in +/- despite his lack of a stat line and Thompson literally won us that game against the Bulls by himself with his effort on the offensive glass.
 
Don't know if this has already appeared on the TT thread, but last month Zach Lowe also gave an extended analysis of the decision on extending Tristan Thompson:

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Let’s pretend this is more complicated than LeBron James ordering the Cavaliers to take care of Thompson and the agent they share, Rich Paul. If this were a real negotiation, Thompson might be the most interesting extension case in league history.

No single player will benefit more than Thompson from this summer’s wild roster movement. Thompson’s third season was a depressing plateau, one that pegged his ceiling on offense as “skilled NBA mooch.” He is not a post-up threat and probably should not be allowed to even try it now that three of the world’s 20 best offensive players are in Cleveland. Thompson shot just 41 percent on post-ups last season, per Synergy Sports, and has one go-to move: a righty jump hook he lofts after a quick one-dribble attack from the left block.

Thompson is fast for a big guy, and he sucks in some attention cutting to the hoop on pick-and-rolls. But all of that attention doesn’t lead anywhere good when he catches the ball. Thompson can’t shoot at all — the much-publicized shooting-hand switch resulted in the near-total abandonment of his jumper — and he doesn’t have the strength or leaping ability to finish through help defenders near the basket.

That left Thompson almost totally dependent on his in-between floater:

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He has a knack for that shot, but it’s still a 40 percent (or worse) proposition, with better options often available. Thompson forces a lot of those floaters when more skilled players would dish to something better.

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Thompson assisted on just 4.5 percent of Cleveland’s baskets while on the floor last season. Only seven players logged at least 2,000 minutes and failed to crack a 5 percent assist rate. Almost all of them were low-usage big men who get paid because they protect the rim and hit the rare shots they take. Thompson, a career 47 percent shooter, does neither.

This is not to say that Thompson is a bad player. He’s a mobile defender who works his ass off and boxes out diligently. He operated within a dysfunctional offense last season, and he had no space in the lane when he shared the floor with Anderson Varejao.4 Thompson can score on the pick-and-roll when the lane is clear, and he’s a smart cutter who lurks along the baseline, waits for his man to leave on a help assignment, and darts into open passing lanes for easy dunks.

So, um, next season is going to work out well for him. Thompson may not start, but given Varejao’s age and constant health issues, Thompson will spend a ton of time playing alongside Kevin Love — a 3-point-bombing power forward who keeps the lane clear. Thompson will often share the floor with the league’s best passer and four threatening long-range shooters. That is an ideal environment for a mooch.

He could well put up something like a 14-8 line on 53 percent shooting, and if he does that, the Cavs will crow that their pending eight-figure overpay is a bargain under a rising cap. “We spared ourselves a Hayward,” they’ll say.

And they will be wrong. The Cavs could plop a bunch of big men on cheaper deals into Thompson’s new role and watch those players produce in the same way. Players such as Trevor Booker, Ed Davis, and Kris Humphries bring chunks of the required skill set, and they’re barely making $10 million combined. DeJuan Blair will make $2 million next season, and though he’s not in Thompson’s league as a defender, he’s a craftier pick-and-roll player on offense.

The rising cap makes all present-day contracts look better, but it could also bring opportunities that those contracts could imperil. Cleveland has three max players on its roster, but if the cap rises fast enough, it could actually have some flexibility in the summer of 2016 — right in time for the anticipated mega-leap.

The degree of flexibility is hard to pinpoint, since both Love and James could cycle on one-year deals before striking long-term max contracts the moment the cap makes its biggest jump.5 The timing would make a giant difference, worth several million dollars (at least) every season. If either Love or James locks in an early long-term max with annual raises that don’t keep pace with the jumping cap, the Cavs could work their way to actual cap space in that summer — an unprecedented thing for a superteam.

That is unlikely, and it would require letting both Thompson and Dion Waiters walk. The more plausible scenario involves Cleveland having enough flexibility under the tax to pull something more dramatic than LeBron’s Heat could ever manage. That could mean using the full midlevel exception on a rim protector, or using the sign-and-trade as a weapon to acquire a fourth top-level player — something a taxed-out team cannot do.

Splurging on Thompson would kill that dream. The Cavs may be so good that it won’t even matter. This is a scary roster, younger across the board than the LeBron Heat teams that became trapped by the luxury tax. But the rising cap might spring Cleveland from that usual superteam trap, and overpaying Thompson now carries an opportunity cost.

Thompson is a solid player — a good guy who is well liked around the league. The Cavs should at least sniff out Thompson’s trade market for players at positions of need — a big guy, and a wing who fills at least half the “3-and-D” equation — before throwing big dollars at him. He’s a power forward, and Cleveland has two of the league’s 10 best overall players at that position.
 
Very interesting piece by Andrew Sharp -- When is it OK to worry about Lebron and the Cavs? Very much reflects the things going on in this board right now.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/when-is-it-ok-to-worry-about-lebron-and-the-cavs/

When Is It OK to Worry About LeBron and the Cavs?
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NBA

November 5, 2014
by Andrew Sharp

It’s too early to worry. Right? For now, and at least for the next month or two, any sign of Cavs struggles will bring on a chorus of “Don’t panic” and “Remember when people doubted the Heat?” and “Give it a few months, then we can talk.” Which is fine. It is definitely too early to panic. Everyone remembers when people doubted the Heat. We can all give it a few months.

But there are two factors to consider.

1. No team in the NBA is more fascinating than the Cavs this year. It’s too much fun to talk about this team, so we can’t just put an embargo on speculating until February. Half the reason we watch sports is to overthink everything and jump to conclusions. If we’re just going to wait for the playoffs to have an opinion about teams, there’s no point in playing the regular season.

2. Did you see this Brian Windhorst story about LeBron?

In recent days there have been growing questions as to whether James might be hurt — he has dealt with some minor back soreness — or in some way suddenly physically diminished because at times he has looked lackluster.

That is not the case at all.

This is a conscious decision on how he plans to operate in a passive-aggressive mission to yank some teammates toward his way of thinking. Let some of them fail at their way so they will be open to new ideas, is what it looks and sounds like.

“Everyone wants to win, I would hope,” James said. “Would you rather play selfish basketball and lose, or play unselfish basketball and sacrifice and win? So you pick it.”

That quote came after a 19-point loss to the Blazers. LeBron scored only two points in the final three quarters — none after halftime. Afterward, LeBron explained, “My mission is not a one-game thing. We have to do multiple things in order to win. We got to share the ball. We got to play defense. We got to sacrifice in order to ultimately win. And obviously when you’re going through the process, it’s not the best part of the process, but I’m looking at the end of the tunnel.”

Wait a second. That’s really the plan? What Deepak Chopra book did LeBron read this summer to come up with this?

In no universe does Passive LeBron help the Cavs more than MVP LeBron. Short term or long term. Kyrie’s not better off handling the offense by himself. Kevin Love and the role players aren’t getting as many easy looks if LeBron’s not attacking. Most importantly, everything David Blatt’s trying to do starts with LeBron as the catalyst.

Either this is a convenient explanation for two disappearing acts in three games or it’s a calculated strategy that makes no sense. Either way, not a great sign.

“It’s going to be a long process,” he said in Portland. “There’s been a lot of losing basketball around here for a few years.”

Again, everyone be patient. The standard response. No problem.

“But there’s a lot of bad habits,” he added. “A lot of bad habits have been built up over the last couple of years, and when you play that style of basketball it takes a lot to get it up out of you. But I’m here to help, and that’s what it’s about.”

But that sure seems like a pretty direct shot at Kyrie! Especially on a night when he over-dribbled, shot 3-of-17, and ended his night by walking out of the locker room rather than fielding questions.

Watching this first week of the most fascinating team in the NBA has made this season in Cleveland look a lot more complicated than it did 10 days ago.

Cleveland’s Big Three has a negative point differential right now. LeBron’s shooting 40 percent in the new offense and hitting less than half his shots at the rim. Then there’s Kyrie. Watching him in Portland last night reminded me how great Dwyane Wade was in the early Heatles years down in Miami. Obviously the Cavs will get better as LeBron improves (they beat the Bulls when he had 36 on Friday night), but at some point they will need Kyrie to come up big just the same.

LeBron and Love should be fine. They were put on earth to throw ridiculous outlet passes to each other and run two-man weaves through the league. They are living out their basketball destiny. But Kyrie is a ball-dominant guard with streaky shooting, and his fit next to LeBron is as awkward as Wade’s was.

Wade rose to the occasion, more than most people remember. In that first playoff run, he was dominant against the Bulls and Celtics and even in the Mavericks series. The next year, he and LeBron killed the Pacers on their own, and then Wade came up huge in a couple of key moments against the Thunder in the Finals. When the games mattered, Wade generally showed up and took Miami to another level. That’s the curve Kyrie will be graded on in Cleveland. It’s asking a lot from a 22-year-old guard who’s never been part of a winning season at the pro level.

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There’s also David Blatt. His motion offense was the single biggest reason everyone felt so comfortable getting excited about the Cavs this summer. He’s a brilliant basketball mind, he’s ready for this, and on and on. But so far, LeBron seems to have just as much influence over what’s happening as his coach does. How else do you explain Dion Waiters starting instead of anchoring the second unit? And how else do you explain LeBron’s zero points after halftime last night? Isn’t it Blatt’s job to call a timeout and find ways to get his best player going? His superstars aren’t clicking, and Blatt’s playing them together more than Miami played Wade and Bosh with LeBron, which only raises more questions about lineups and strategy and the long-term plan.

There’s time for this to settle, and talent usually wins out, and we all remember the Heat, etc. But just for the record, all that rationale was also used when Dwight Howard joined the Lakers. Everyone predicted 60 wins and a spot in the Finals, but a slow start eventually turned into the season from hell.
The Cavs aren’t the Lakers, because LeBron’s too good, the East is too bad, and there’s no Steve Nash injury to derail everything from the start. But if the Heat and Lakers are two poles of the super-team destiny, it’s possible the Cavs could fall somewhere in the middle.

People were ecstatic about LeBron’s return to Cleveland. It was one of the craziest sports stories we’ve seen in a long time, and it gave a second chapter to a city’s heartbreak. But the other half of the appeal was this Cavs roster and how much fun it would be to watch this offense. With Blatt’s schemes, Love’s skill set, LeBron and Kyrie, and the role players, they’d do more to make basketball look fun than anyone in the league.

That’s what has me doing a double take so far. Nobody on the Cavs looks like they’re having a good time.

That may seem like a cheap criticism after two losses — losing isn’t fun — but the Cavs were built with a roster full of great offensive players destined to be average at best on defense. It basically demands fun. They have to be the freewheeling juggernaut we imagined to make up for the defense we never bothered to worry about. On a team with three superstars in the middle of their prime, there’s less room for error than you’d think.

The same could be said of LeBron right now. He’s been careful to avoid promising titles, preaching patience at every turn. But there’s still pressure here. He’s not just selling himself as a great basketball player, but as a champion who Knows What It Takes, a leader who will apparently stop shooting to prove a point, a savior of an entire city.


The whole world reacted so violently to that first Heat team and its early struggles that we’ve spent the past few years fighting those impulses. It used to be cool to doubt LeBron, now it’s cool to scold the doubters. Any criticism is treated like a hot take, because LeBron didn’t get a fair shake in the beginning with Miami. Ever since, there’s been this persecution myth that says everyone’s always attacking the best player in the world. If you’re criticizing him, you’re just as shortsighted as everyone was back then.

It’s not to say this new perspective is wrong, or frustrating, or anything else. But it may not be permanent.

“It’s going to be a process. I keep on harping on that word, but it’s the truth,” James said. “I’ve been there before and understand it.”

LeBron keeps harping on it, partly to remind everyone he’s succeeded at this before, partly to remind everyone it takes time, partly to give himself more room for error. Avoid the mistakes he made in Miami, while everyone else tries to avoid the mistakes we made watching him.

We’ll see. The Cavs should destroy the Jazz tonight, but it looks like there will be a lot of nights, like Tuesday, that force everyone to stay patient —about the offense, about the defense, with Blatt, with Kyrie, with LeBron. But the biggest question is a little more abstract, and I’m genuinely curious: How long does the patience last?
 
I had to laugh when I read the final paragraph of this article:

"We’ll see. The Cavs should destroy the Jazz tonight."
 
As much as people dislike Windhorst, after reading that Andrew Sharp piece it's refreshing to have someone like Windhorst who actually understands LeBron and how he operates. Others are guessing.

Windhorst was the first to call Waiters to the bench. So until further notice, I'm going to stick with Windhorst and his thoughts or sources over any other writer. Including the other guy ESPN has covering the Cavs.
 
Fun discussion by Jalen Rose for the first 15 minutes of this podcast:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=11833407

Some good points -- that with Love and Varejao in there teams are able to force Lebron out of the power forward position on the elbow and make him a more perimeter-oriented player. Also some great 'old head' points about the political dynamics on the team.
 
The time to worry about Lebron is now.

It is absurd to think Lebron is purposely playing bad basketball.
 
The time to worry about Lebron is now.

It is absurd to think Lebron is purposely playing bad basketball.

No it's not, considering it's still November. Anyone worrying about LeBron needs to gain some perspective, we've got 78 games left before the games truly matter.
 
The time to worry about Lebron is now.

It is absurd to think Lebron is purposely playing bad basketball.

didn't he just score 31 points, get to the line 12 times and have 3 steals?

His frist 4 games when he joined the heat he averaged 20.5 ppg on .448 shooting. When we made major trades when we had him in the past, I believe his production dropped for a few games while he figured out his new teammates. How about we give it a few more weeks before we even think about worrying about LeBron.
 
Lebron is averaging close to 24 ppg...9th in the league, while looking pretty pedestrian.

Again, patience people. New coach, new system, new players, new egos.
 
didn't he just score 31 points, get to the line 12 times and have 3 steals?

His frist 4 games when he joined the heat he averaged 20.5 ppg on .448 shooting. When we made major trades when we had him in the past, I believe his production dropped for a few games while he figured out his new teammates. How about we give it a few more weeks before we even think about worrying about LeBron.

Did he look as bad physically as he does now in those first 4 games with the Heat?
 
didn't he just score 31 points, get to the line 12 times and have 3 steals?

The Jazz game was a step in the right direction but stats don't matter to me as much as seeing what I've seen on the court thus far. The only measuring stick I use is what I've been accustomed of seeing from LeBron and what made him my favorite player of all time. Thus far he has put up some empty stats like the Bulls game. That stat line reminded me of a great Kobe performance not a great LeBron performance. I want to see him actually finishing around the rim (not getting rejected by Gordon Hayward in crunch time) , playing defense and not making stupid passes. If this keeps up for the next few months then it is safe to say that he is not the same player anymore and he might not even be the best player in the league anymore.
 
I worry that the weight loss came at the expense of strength. He just doesn't look like he has the same ability to muscle people up and get to his spots. Am I off base here?
 
I worry that the weight loss came at the expense of strength. He just doesn't look like he has the same ability to muscle people up and get to his spots. Am I off base here?
Please, someone tell this dude he's completely wrong and insane. Because I can't, and I'm getting startled.
 
I'm starting to really dislike this entire board at the moment.

Irrationality is at a 10. People are tripping over themselves to hit the panic button. Pegging LeBron as past his prime?! He's 29!!! Best player in the world!!!

You're all going to miss the cue to celebrate when this team finally hits its stride.

I feel like I'm in the minority of the fans here who actually remember the harsh reality that was forecast several weeks ago - this team would start slow, finish strong.

Marathon, people. Marathon.
 

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