gun control

[AZ_]

Again, extremely short-sighted and biased statistical representation - you're omitting way too much here.

Like what?

It's simple facts.

Yes, the UK is much smaller than the United States. Their per capita rates of gun violence are still vastly superior.

I'm sorry you have no rebuttals to the fact that the USA is rivaling third world countries in terms of gun related deaths, but to completely discount the countries who figured this problem out 30 years ago is more short sighted than anything.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Stranger vs stranger violence is really not as prevalent as people think, in my opinion. there was a spree of gun related crimes in 2002, Nottingham had a string of jewell robberies and a couple of gang related incidents. Really in the UK it is knife crime that is the issue, mainly with teen gangs in cities. If a stranger comes up to me with a gun and wants to kill me then i am going to die most likely, but i'll take my chances that way. I think oveall it makes for a safer environment than the personal equivalent of mutually-assured destruction. if i have to draw a gun to protect myself its a lose lose situation, if i survive i have to live with the impact the incident will have on my mental health.

I always go back to that idea of escalation, once you have guns, you need, guns to protect yourself, so better buy a big gun, just to be sure and some armour piercing rounds just in case, then a teen breaks in and i panic because i have no training or experience apart from a shooting range. Lets face it i'm no bauer and it all ends badly.

So i gues i'm glad i live in a small town in the UK by the sea that doesn't have these issues

Can't argue with your last statement, that's for sure. But the 1st bolded statements, we just disagree on completely from a fundamental standpoint. I do not let another human being take my life. Period.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Like what?

It's simple facts.

Yes, the UK is much smaller than the United States. Their per capita rates of gun violence are still vastly superior.

I'm sorry you have no rebuttals to the fact that the USA is rivaling third world countries in terms of gun related deaths, but to completely discount the countries who figured this problem out 30 years ago is more short sighted than anything.

I'm not going to discount what the UK has done or what you think they have done...or any other country. That's all I'll say to that.

 

[KI4MVP]

Again, extremely short-sighted and biased statistical representation - you're omitting way too much here.

fill us in on what's missing besides adjusting for population, which is roughly 5x different. Adjusting for population, you get

290 Murders a Year by Firearms in Britain, 8,775 in US

"The U.S. gun homicide rate is 20 times the combined rate of other western nations," Moran, D-8th, wrote in a Jan. 10 column that ran in the Falls Church News-Press.

That statistic caught our eye. We wondered if Moran is right.

A Moran spokeswoman told us the congressman’s claim is based on a study of the homicide rates of wealthy nations in 2003, conducted by the UCLA School of Public Health. The report, published in 2010, uses data from the World Health Organization to compare gun-related homicide, gun-related suicide and unintentional and undetermined gun deaths for all ages and both sexes.

Vital statistics from the U.S. were compared to those from 22 other high-income countries with populations over 1 million people that reported causes of mortality to WHO for 2003. Researchers relied on The World Bank’s definition of a high income nation, which included countries that had a gross national income per capita of $12,276 or more for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2011.

In addition to the U.S., the study included Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) and United Kingdom (Scotland).

Researchers determined that the rate of homicides with guns in the U.S. was 4.1 per 100,000 people; the same rate combining the 22 other countries was 0.2 per 100,000 in 2003. The rate of homicides using guns in the U.S. was 19.5 times the rate of the other countries. Moran, rounding up, correctly repeated that factoid.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/...m-moran-says-us-gun-homicide-rate-20-times-h/

 

[KI4MVP]

In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

the article also has this, which I hadn't read before, but is roughly what I suggested in my first post.

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years

 

[polska2211]

To KI4MVP, those homicidal rates are omitting social circumstance. This entire debate was brought up by murders in a small town, which, in the grand scheme of murders in our country, is a statistical outlier.

The majority of murders in our country, statistically speaking, come from inner city gang violence and the like which is something that the UK really does not have.

 

[Adam]

Can't argue with your last statement, that's for sure. But the 1st bolded statements, we just disagree on completely from a fundamental standpoint. I do not let another human being take my life. Period.

I dont understand how you can control that, unless you live your life expecting everyone to attack you? I'm not saying you're wrong i just dont understand and interested in the debate

 

[Adam]

The majority of murders in our country, statistically speaking, come from inner city gang violence and the like which is something that the UK really does not have.

This is not true, its just not guns, its knives, so less impact but still very much gang related, there are schools in certain areas that have to deal with significant gang issues.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

We don't need gun control, but bullet control.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOuX-nFmL0II[/video]

 

[KI4MVP]

To KI4MVP, those homicidal rates are omitting social circumstance. This entire debate was brought up by murders in a small town, which, in the grand scheme of murders in our country, is a statistical outlier.

The majority of murders in our country, statistically speaking, come from inner city gang violence and the like which is something that the UK really does not have.

the difference is their gangs don't have guns

 

[Cavsfan1985]

the difference is their gangs don't have guns

Instead of banning guns, why don't we look into the root cause of why someone used the gun to kill someone, and fix that. That is the only true answer and solution.

 

[Adam]

Like most crimes it comes from opportunity and motive, the motive will always be there, humans like to kill each other for status, especially in areas of apparent poverty, the opportunity is the only thing society can control to a degree.

 

[KI4MVP]

Instead of banning guns, why don't we look into the root cause of why someone used the gun to kill someone, and fix that. That is the only true answer and solution.

who said to ban guns? I gave started this thread with very specific list of things to do that don't involve banning guns.

 

[AZ_]

Like most crimes it comes from opportunity and motive, the motive will always be there, humans like to kill each other for status, especially in areas of apparent poverty, the opportunity is the only thing society can control to a degree.

Talk about a deterrent to commit crimes.

How likely is it that this kid tries to take out an entire kindergarten class if he didn't have access to a bulletproof vest, assault rifle and handguns.

What if all he had access to was a knife. That is a better deterrent in my humble opinion.

 

[caf]

UK is a welfare state and the US is not. Ignorance and self-entitlement are rampant in the USA.

I think that has just as much impact on intentional homicides as gun control.