Harrison Barnes WILL MAKE 6 TEAMS PAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rich]

I don't know what all the "LOL @ 9/26 shooting" is all about. I think Barnes is playing great given his age, NBA experience(or lack thereof), increased pressure for playoffs, and a veteran team he's facing in the Spurs. Hell, four of those shots that he missed go in and he's shooting 50 percent...

I think Dion ends up being the better player, but Barnes will be a good player.

It first spawned from the Barnes vs. Dion debate. Which, based on the totality of their rookie seasons, I don't think is much of a debate. But because Barnes is playing in the spotlight of the post-season, people are getting infatuated with what they are seeing lately, and forgetting what they saw earlier with Waiters.

Either way, tonight was not a good night for him. The shooting was bad. Which is one thing. But what made it especially poor was the the Spurs were guarding him with various 6'1 to 6'3 players because they banked on him not being able to take advantage of it. And guess what? They were right. I guarantee the next game they'll do the same thing and let parker and neal guard him, and if the Warriors do the same stuff and try to run their offense through Barnes, they'll lose. He couldn't pass it out of the post well. He couldn't finish for shit through contact. That strategy will not work again for Golden State so long as the Spurs manage to make some open shots.

 

[Snarly]

I'm not really sure what your point is.

I think he Is trying to say that he makes more than he misses. In other words he Is starting a frustrating Waiters VS Barnes If he knows It or not. Well at this point we better hope Waiters becomes something close to Wade as Barnes will become something close to Rashard Lewis. So yeah lets see how this ends up In the long run.

 

[Biw]

Jesus Christ, I'm just saying he goes from having a bad shooting night(34%) to having a good one (50%) if he had made four more shots. I'm just making the point of how just a few shots can drastically change the way a players performance is viewed.

 

[polklop1]

4 makes is massive though. That's like saying "don't hate on this guy who shot 0-8, if 4 of those misses were makes he would've been 50%!" 9/26 is terrible no matter how you spin it.

And I don't hate Barnes either, I think he's been respectable looking in these playoffs. But he shot very poorly yesterday, no way around it.

 

[Biw]

4 makes is massive though. That's like saying "don't hate on this guy who shot 0-8, if 4 of those misses were makes he would've been 50%!" 9/26 is terrible no matter how you spin it.

And I don't hate Barnes either, I think he's been respectable looking in these playoffs. But he shot very poorly yesterday, no way around it.

That's a bad example IMO. I'm saying "just" four shots because he took 26 of them. That's completely different than your example.

And don't confuse this as me saying Barnes shot well last night.

 

[MoFlo]

That's a bad example IMO. I'm saying "just" four shots because he took 26 of them. That's completely different than your example.

And don't confuse this as me saying Barnes shot well last night.

Barnes may end up being a good player, but this isn't a good point to make your case.

You can literally do this with every NBA player.

Hell, if Dion made just 14 more of his 812 shot attempts this season, he'd have been a 43% shooter instead of 41%.

It's just not really a good argument because you can make this case for every guy in the NBA.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Jesus Christ, I'm just saying he goes from having a bad shooting night(34%) to having a good one (50%) if he had made four more shots. I'm just making the point of how just a few shots can drastically change the way a players performance is viewed.

But he didn't make four more shots, so your point is stupid.

 

[Biw]

I disagree that's it's stupid, but okay.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

By the 4th quarter and overtime, Barnes made the adjustment that LeBron never made through an entire series sweep in the 07 Finals.

Maybe it was Mark Jackson forcing him to do something that Mike Brown couldnt force LeBron to do...

Dunno. But I felt throughout yesterdays game, that I was watching Pop do the same thing to GSW that he did to us in those Finals. All the Dubs needed was one guy who could be a threat with his back to the basket to open up lanes again for what Jack ended up doing and what Barnes took advantage of on that driving dunk-and 1, and the step back over Ginobili in OT.

Stat geeks will look at the 9-26 and talk about irrelevant efficiency stats.

Guys who know the game will say that the way Jackson ran the offense through Barnes in the 4th and OT was more important to softening the Spurs D, so even when he didnt finish those few times at the end over smaller guys, him staying aggressive was just like a heavyweight landing body blows and softening the Spurs up for the perimeter to get going again (curry's 3 from corner and Thompsons two scores from right side wouldnt have happened without the Spurs adjusting to Barnes)

Great coaching yesterday by Jackson, and as a Tar Heel fan, I hope Barnes got the message that he played with late and stays aggressive down in SA.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Stat geeks will look at the 9-26 and talk about irrelevant efficiency stats.

Guys who know the game will say that the way Jackson ran the offense through Barnes in the 4th

Rch, this is disappointing and ignorant. I expect more out of someone as smart as you.

Irrespective of this Barnes discussion, dismissing people who use stats in their opinions and analysis as 'guys who don't know the game' is childish.

Call out specific posts or specific opinions if you want, but if you insist on making sweeping generalizations like that, maybe take a look at Zach Lowe's tweets from the last 24 hours.

 

[MRMsix6]

The biggest reason the Warriors won is because the Spurs couldn't make a shot to save their lives, including free throws. Barnes did exactly what the Spurs wanted him to do: go iso against their poor defenders and take a lot of 2p shots and miss a lot of shots. They'll take Barnes shooting 26 times and making 9 of them any day. What does Barnes going into the post mean? Curry and Thompson aren't taking (and making) nearly as many threes. The Spurs lost that game on the offensive end more than anything.

 

[CHEECHREBORN]

Fun fact: Other than Barnes, Jarrett Jack had the most shot attempts for the Warriors with 16. So Barnes had more missed shots (17) than any of his teammates had shot attempts

 

[Jack Brickman]

Stat geeks will look at the 9-26 and talk about irrelevant efficiency stats.

Anyone who looks at the stats should understand that shooting 34% sucks, especially on 26 shots. This is the same type of shooting inefficiency we killed Waiters for early in the year, although I'm not sure he ever jacked up 26 shots.

Sure, you can argue that Barnes was taking good shots, but taking good shots only really matters if you actually make them.

 

[pl4tinum]

By the 4th quarter and overtime, Barnes made the adjustment that LeBron never made through an entire series sweep in the 07 Finals.

Maybe it was Mark Jackson forcing him to do something that Mike Brown couldnt force LeBron to do...

Dunno. But I felt throughout yesterdays game, that I was watching Pop do the same thing to GSW that he did to us in those Finals. All the Dubs needed was one guy who could be a threat with his back to the basket to open up lanes again for what Jack ended up doing and what Barnes took advantage of on that driving dunk-and 1, and the step back over Ginobili in OT.

Stat geeks will look at the 9-26 and talk about irrelevant efficiency stats.

Guys who know the game will say that the way Jackson ran the offense through Barnes in the 4th and OT was more important to softening the Spurs D, so even when he didnt finish those few times at the end over smaller guys, him staying aggressive was just like a heavyweight landing body blows and softening the Spurs up for the perimeter to get going again (curry's 3 from corner and Thompsons two scores from right side wouldnt have happened without the Spurs adjusting to Barnes)

Great coaching yesterday by Jackson, and as a Tar Heel fan, I hope Barnes got the message that he played with late and stays aggressive down in SA.

Couldn't have said it better. It wasn't about Barnes' efficiency. It was about how he changed the game in the warriors favor.

 

[Pioneer10]

I hate to say it but so far this series draymond green to my eyes has looked as good as Barnes. Now Barnes is younger and a better athlete so his potential is greater but if anything Mark Jackson has shown he's a much better coach then I expected: dude gets the most of his player.

Barnes career looks more like a stretch 4 at this point. He still can't handle the ball well and on defense he can get taken off the dribble fairly easily. Being at the 4 hides this and as a 4 he's free to post up if a smaller guy is on him.

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