How Will the Tristan Thompson Negotiations Play Out?

[godfather]

I hope they bring him back for the QO, and let TT play the market next year. But I doubt they even consider doing that. They're too scared of Paul and 'Bron, and will probably find some middle ground.

I don't think he's getting the max, but will be back here for 85 million. It's going to be a terrible contract, but I've just come to accept that it is what it is.

 

[bryankdavis]

Rich Paul probably wants 1yr + a 1yr player option, just like Lebron, and CAVS are refusing to offer that.

 

[Tornicade]

I'd QO him...then i'd play him about 24 mpg. No team on the planet is offering him 20M+ a year next year. If he leaves, replaces him with a ring chasing vet...our main core is still intact.

Gut says it gets done this year at 5/87. Huge overpay.

Thompson finished 5th in the 6th man of the year award voting which typically goes to scoring wings.

24 minutes is plenty enough time for Thompson to compete for the award and also establish good results in sportsvu analytics.

Thompson is a proven playoff commodity and one would expect the Cavs defense will be better overall next season which will allow him to put up Green like defensive metrics.

 

[godfather]

Thompson finished 5th in the 6th man of the year award voting which typically goes to scoring wings.

24 minutes is plenty enough time for Thompson to compete for the award and also establish good results in sportsvu analytics.

Thompson is a proven playoff commodity and one would expect the Cavs defense will be better overall next season which will allow him to put up Green like defensive metrics.

Bullshit, what geared his interest up market wise the most was nothing that happen in the regular season. It was the fact Kevin Love went down in the playoffs, and we still played so well. So Tristan Thompson, to some credit of his, and a lot of it overblown, was seen as this very underrated, and undervalued player.

Hell, national media members were touting this constantly. It's easy to then put out the perception he's now worth bigger money than what he really is. You even have some people calling into question, if he's actually a better fit for this team than Kevin Love. A man that got max money.

But if things go back to reality, which hopefully they do. Kevin Love fits in better than he did last year, has a better year. We win a title in large part of him. Tristan still remains the same productive player, but off the bench, then that narrative can be put to its stop.

Having a breakout performance in the post season can make people get a little carried away, and Tristan found himself in that lucky circumstance. If Love doesn't go down, I don't think any of this get's as carried away as it did this off-season.

We've seen players time and time again get grossly overpaid, badly, over a neat little run they had in the post season.

His value was at its highest point after last year. Unless he completely improves in a lot of areas of his game this coming season, and we stay healthy, I don't see he improves upon that.

 

[MirORich]

Gut says it gets done this year at 5/87. Huge overpay.

Don't disagree that that would be an overpay.

Curious what you think at present moment is a true value for him, given the contracts handed out this summer, the recent MKG and Jonas extensions, and the two huge cap spikes coming in consecutive seasons.

Also, what you think his value as a UFA would be next year, given him having a similar or slightly improved statistical year to this past year?

There seems to be a lot of posters who truly believe that Tristan is only worth or would only get $12-14 million per year as an UFA next year, which I think is not realistic at all. Doesn't mean we have to be the ones to pay him of course.

So curious of your thoughts on those two numbers.

1. What do you think he is worth currently based on the this offseason a signings and extensions

2. What you think he is worth/would get as an UFA in next years Free Agency market

And while this question is aimed at Max, others feel free to answer.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Curious what you think at present moment is a true value for him

5/60 on the market, 70 for the Cavs. A penny over that is gratuitous and 94 is just incomprehensible.

I hope Griffin goes into full boss mode...delicately yet not slowly sips a few martinis with some soothing music filling his cluttered office. He dials Paul while adding a little flourish to each numerical punch, sententiously intoning that the Cavs rescind their offer and look forward to resuming talks next summer after TT commendably serves his QO sentence. *click*

 

[godfather]

I think his true market is a tad lower than the Robin Lopez deal. But, that doesn't always mean he'll get paid necessarily lower than that. Teams can be unpredictable, and some do get desperate.

At tops, I can see a team paying him 58-60 million. So that's a little more than what Robin got. A bit of a surprise, but not a total shock if he'd get that. Anything more than that I'd be pretty surprised.

 

[TitleTown]

5/60 on the market, 70 for the Cavs. A penny over that is gratuitous and 94 is just incomprehensible.

I hope Griffin goes into full boss mode...delicately yet not slowly sips a few martinis with some soothing music filling his cluttered office. He dials Paul while adding a little flourish to each numerical punch, sententiously intoning that the Cavs rescind their offer and look forward to resuming talks next summer after TT commendably serves his QO sentence. *click*

What is your definition of "market"?

 

[Soda]

I think this ends like the brewing Korean war that peaked and diffused this past week. A bunch of worrying, followed by both sides realizing this is being treated like a bigger issue than it is.

 

[MirORich]

5/60 on the market, 70 for the Cavs. A penny over that is gratuitous and 94 is just incomprehensible.

I hope Griffin goes into full boss mode...delicately yet not slowly sips a few martinis with some soothing music filling his cluttered office. He dials Paul while adding a little flourish to each numerical punch, sententiously intoning that the Cavs rescind their offer and look forward to resuming talks next summer after TT commendably serves his QO sentence. *click*

I don't agree with you. In this years market, if he had been a UFA I think he would have got an offer somewhere between 13.5-15.5 million per year.

If he makes it to UFA next summer, I think he'll easily garner an offer between 15.5-18 million per year.

That opinion is based on the contracts signed this summer and the recent extensions signed by players younger players in the 22-26 year old range and the overall larger 89 million cap and 108 million luxury tax line for next year.

As far as the Cavs and TT THIS offseason, 5 for 80 is a little rich but one I would accept and be ok with. 5 for 85 is rich Paul being greedy, and obv I agree with anyone who thinks 5 for 90 plus is stupid.

Also, this does not mean that I think he is lesser than, equal to, or better than every other player that would garner an identical contract. Assigning value strictly based on stats and player comparisons is part of the dynamic but each and every summer shows that it's not the absolute way in which value is perceived and contracts are offered.

 

[clevelandrox23]

Funny we are in an age where a guy that can't score, who is mediocre on defense, but is merely a rebounding specialist (no Ben Wallace or anything) is holding out for an insane amount of money. Must be nice to be an NBA player.

 

[Lee]

Funny we are in an age where a guy that can't score, who is mediocre on defense, but is merely a rebounding specialist (no Ben Wallace or anything) is holding out for an insane amount of money. Must be nice to be an NBA player.

Tall, black and athletic. Then again, tall white guys get overpaid allot too.

 

[Drifter]

Funny we are in an age where a guy that can't score, who is mediocre on defense, but is merely a rebounding specialist (no Ben Wallace or anything) is holding out for an insane amount of money. Must be nice to be an NBA player.

Baseball free agency went through the same thing with .250 hitters and pitchers with 4.50 ERAs. They get paid like stars now.

 

[Drifter]

I just don't understand folks who are thinking he'll get as little as 12 mil per year. Not when the contracts we see going out in this free agency period are bigger than that. And not when, in bargaining, you have to entice him to sign now and give up what is perceived as bigger dollar averages when the cap explodes the next two years.
So I think it's 5/80. I think the delay is haggling over guaranteed portions and maybe whether one side holds an option over that final year.
But if he hits the open market next summer as a UFA, he'll get 16-17 per just because of the cap increase. The math seems already in place for that.

 

[clevelandrox23]

Tall, black and athletic. Then again, tall white guys get overpaid allot too.

6'9 is not that tall but I'll give you the athletic. As a person that was never good at basketball but could still shoot it has always made me laugh how guys like Tristan can't develop a jump shot/ft. That is a matter of discipline and dedication imo.

I'll give him props for his high motor/hustle but there is no reason why a professional basketball player that thinks he is worth a 90 million dollar contract can't shoot within 15 feet of the basket. Our generation is lazy and feels entitled.