Iman Shumpert: Gone! Thank God!

[I'mWithDan]

I also think it's tough to gauge value when players are playing on such miserable teams. Many of Shumpert's problems, IMO, stem from him playing for a franchise that was misusing him. They were trying to use him as a core building block when in reality he was a really good role player in the right situation.

In NYK he had to work a lot harder for his offense, which is just not his strong suit. They lacked playmakers who could get him easy shots both in sets and transition. This caused his AST% on dunks and shots around the rim to decrease, which is what drug down his shooting %. Most people attribute his finishing with his knee injury but there seems to be a direct correlation between the AST% around the basket and his finishing statistics. That would lead you to believe he's not finishing as well around the rim not because he's less athletic but because he's having to take more contested, unassisted shots. Will be interested to see if that bumps back up.

I'll also be curious to see how he fits in with a team that is far better suited for his skill set. He'll expend more energy on defense, less on offense but should see far easier scoring opportunities. That seems like a recipe for success to me.

 

[Pioneer10]

Here's a game from earlier this year:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrS8DVsymKY

Honestly wasn't all that impressed (anyone get a highlight reel when they have a hot hand) till that last dunk. Only Lebron is capable of a dribble drive reverse poster type of dunk on this team. Wish they showed his defense that game: the Bucks basically had that game on cruise control.

 

[Kypus]

View: https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/552304723836293121

Well, that part makes me feel good...really good...

I believe about 90% of those dunks are from his rookie season before his knee injury.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6468/iman-shumpert

Yeah, legit concern. Soo....we're looking at a player with 2 injuries over his career...it appears he got over the knee stuff in his 2nd yr, enough to come back and contribute in the playoffs...
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6468/year/2013/iman-shumpert

Wonder what % of his pre-injury lateral movement he has gained back...any Knick ppl want to shed some light?

Also concerned about the shoulder dislocation as an on-ball defender- will he be able to get his hands up effectively (not just showing)? If he's lost much lateral mvmt from the knee stuff, will the shoulder thing turn him into just-a-guy as a defender? I mean, we're asking a lot from the guy- is he prepared to give it come late Feb, when playoff rotations are coalescing?

It's already going to be too late in the game to get him "Blatt-ized"...this feels like waiting for Larry Hughes to come back just in time to save us for the playoffs...

 

[mcfly]

Windy said on Rizzo's show this morning that he talked to people last night who said Shumpert might be out for another month.

All I could find on the subject were recent reports from Fisher saying he would be back soon. Whatever that means...

 

[Baseline Runner]

Regardless of his talent level, with the addition of Shumpert, him, K-Love, and Irving just became the best three-headed rap machine in the game today. I'm a glass half-full kind of guy...

Now all we need to do is bring Delonte West back with some KFC freestyle thrown into the mix.

 

[markb]

I've dislocated one of my shoulders several times, had repair surgery which made it feel great, but then it started to dislocate again. Once it has dislocated, the ligaments are permanently stretched out and it's unstable. Muscle can compensate, but the muscle has to be "on". Surgery tightens the ligaments back up, but they're weaker than before.

It aches for months, and is much more susceptible to re-dislocation for several months, because everything is loose for a while as it heals. The arm up and out is most vulnerable, down and in is strongest. He'll need to build up all the shoulder muscles to compensate for the weaker ligaments, but also avoid a hit that pushes his arm up and rotated out.

Shoulder dislocations can have a psychological recovery period as well, because it feels so unstable and weak. There are minor shifts all the time where it feels like it might go back out (subluxation).

The younger and more athletic, the more likely full recovery. But it can become chronic, especially without surgery. Surgery is at least 3-6 month recovery for mortals with normal health care. Pros seem to get by a lot quicker though.

 

[cavsfever]

Yeah a shoulder dislocation is a serious injury - in some ways more recovery time than a broken bone in the upper body. And he didn't get surgery, he would have to do that in the off season I guess.

 

[Simon]

Shumpert is a throw in, expect little hope for a lot.

There was a report out on Twitter Shumpert was the main target in the trade, JR Smith was the throw in the trade.

 

[CardiacCavs]

Been looking up other recent youtube vids of him:


One thing I have noticed, which is much different than Dion, is that when the ball is not in his hands he seems to be moving, or as soon as he receives a pass he makes a move or makes another pass. The thing with Dion that drove me insane is that he would catch the ball with an opening, then wait a few moments then attack, giving the defense time to set up for it.

Oh, and a lot of spot up shooting.

 

[Pioneer10]

I'll give him this much, didn't realize that he looks like a solid passer. Keep the ball movement up and is able to find the open man.

 

[shoes22]

What are the chances he leaves in the off season? Just trying to gauge his interest here, he is still young he might have the mentality to get paid over winning.

The thing about restricted free agency is he doesn't have much of a choice in it.

 

[Joe Henderson]

First Cavs player whose name looks like he should be the lovechild of an exotic supermodel and an Austrian economic theorist. Already a win.

 

[I'mWithDan]

I've dislocated one of my shoulders several times, had repair surgery which made it feel great, but then it started to dislocate again. Once it has dislocated, the ligaments are permanently stretched out and it's unstable. Muscle can compensate, but the muscle has to be "on". Surgery tightens the ligaments back up, but they're weaker than before.

It aches for months, and is much more susceptible to re-dislocation for several months, because everything is loose for a while as it heals. The arm up and out is most vulnerable, down and in is strongest. He'll need to build up all the shoulder muscles to compensate for the weaker ligaments, but also avoid a hit that pushes his arm up and rotated out.

Shoulder dislocations can have a psychological recovery period as well, because it feels so unstable and weak. There are minor shifts all the time where it feels like it might go back out (subluxation).

The younger and more athletic, the more likely full recovery. But it can become chronic, especially without surgery. Surgery is at least 3-6 month recovery for mortals with normal health care. Pros seem to get by a lot quicker though.

We have a great medical staff.

I doubt we were going to sign off on a trade that netted us a player who is going to need shoulder surgery anytime soon.

There are varying degrees of shoulder separation. If he merely suffered a grade 1, he'll be fine. Given the timetable for his return, I'm sure it had to be pretty mild.

Notes from his injury indicated an MRI showed no damage. It was also his left shoulder, which makes the recovery far easier.

 

[macbdog]

We have a great medical staff.

I doubt we were going to sign off on a trade that netted us a player who is going to need shoulder surgery anytime soon.

There are varying degrees of shoulder separation. If he merely suffered a grade 1, he'll be fine. Given the timetable for his return, I'm sure it had to be pretty mild.

Notes from his injury indicated an MRI showed no damage. It was also his left shoulder, which makes the recovery far easier.

Fwiw unless the clinic doctors were able to examine Shump prior to the deal it really is hard to make a perfect call on these sorts of things just looking at records and weeks or months old images. Any team medical staff can ok a move in a player who is more hurt than we realize. The physical will tell allot, but even then the doctors are leery of issuing a bad report unless the damage is obvious. Just the nature of diagnosing.

 

[NtG]

I remember after Kyire won Rookie of the year, I was reading people's reactions on the comments under the article on ESPN and the top comment read "Shump got robbed". So, in New Yorker's eyes, we just traded for the 2012 ROY.