Indians Are No Longer 'Cool'

[Chris]

Depends what the person means...this year? No doubt. As a franchise? Not at all.

I just find it funny that my arguments with statistical backing and "repetitive" yet "Indians suck" and "Dolan is cheap" are not...that's all.

Well Indians suck is backed by 1 playoff appearance in 9 years.

 

[Steve_424]

Well Indians suck is backed by 1 playoff appearance in 9 years.

It's also a lot harder for the Indians to make the playoffs than it is the Browns and Cavaliers. In 2005 they won 93 games and didn't make the postseason. In the NBA and NFL, being just above .500 makes you a playoff contender. 12 of 32 (38%) make it in the NFL, 16 of 30 (53%) make it in the NBA, 8 of 30 (28%) make it in MLB. Definitely something to take into account when comparing the success of the 3 Cleveland sports teams.

 

[Chris]

It's also a lot harder for the Indians to make the playoffs than it is the Browns and Cavaliers. In 2005 they won 93 games and didn't make the postseason. In the NBA and NFL, being just above .500 makes you a playoff contender. 12 of 32 (38%) make it in the NFL, 16 of 30 (53%) make it in the NBA, 8 of 30 (28%) make it in MLB. Definitely something to take into account when comparing the success of the 3 Cleveland sports teams.

Once in NINE years. Facts right there. That's inexcusable. I'm with you on a lot of other stuff, as much as I am giving you trouble in this thread there is more blame on Selig and MLB than on Dolan, in my opinion. But on this, there is one thing...the Indians still suck. Period.

 

[Steve_424]

Once in NINE years. Facts right there. That's inexcusable. I'm with you on a lot of other stuff, as much as I am giving you trouble in this thread there is more blame on Selig and MLB than on Dolan, in my opinion. But on this, there is one thing...the Indians still suck. Period.

I think it's a good franchise that hasn't gotten many breaks...I can understand your opinion though.

 

[Chris]

So are the Pirates.

 

[Pyro]

Well if you want parity in baseball, you don't want Costas as the commissioner. He flipped our fans off during the World Series, if you'll recall.

 

[Steve_424]

So are the Pirates.

Hopefully that's a joke, and you're not really comparing the Pirates to the Indians.

 

[Chris]

Hopefully that's a joke, and you're not really comparing the Pirates to the Indians.

Not a joke at all. You said the Indians haven't had a lot of breaks. Bad teams don't get breaks; the Pirates haven't had anything handed to them either. Good teams make their own breaks through quality drafting and crafty trades and FA acquisitions. Don't bother trying to argue this.

I see where your confusion came in, I could have worded it better...I didn't take note of the "it's a good franchise" portion of your post and instead focused on the "hasn't gotten many breaks." I'm sure you see my point now.

 

[PIP]

They were out of it in late April and the team finished with 69 wins... And with those 69 wins, only a handful of them came with an elite prospect on board and that was Santana...

There was no young high level prospects making noise as the season was winding down... It was basically the same cast of characters that will be here next year.... Guys like Cabrera, Crowe, Choo, LaPorta, Brantley etc.... Nothing that really gets you excited for the future or delivers much promise going forward....

I guess the best thing that came from this season was Chris Perez finally becoming a fucking beast.....

EDIT: I take it back. The best thing that came from this season from the Indians perspective was finally ridding itself of the waste that is Jhonny Peralta...

 

[Pyro]

Once we get rid of Marte, the transformation will be complete.

 

[GreasySpread36]

I think it's a good franchise that hasn't gotten many breaks...I can understand your opinion though.

There's always an excuse with the Indians. Injuries, "bad breaks," etc.

Everyone has injuries. Everyone has "bad breaks." Those aren't unique to the Indians. The bottom line is this isn't a very good club and hasn't been since 2007.

And Sizemore has always been overrated, even when he was healthy. The guy is a human windmill with a ten-cent throwing arm. And he keeled over and died in the '07 ALCS. If Sizemore is the best player on your club, you're in major trouble.

 

[Pyro]

I love how once I mentioned to this idiot writer that John Adams was at the game, he removed comments and didn't respond to my email.

What a crock.

 

[Steve_424]

There's always an excuse with the Indians. Injuries, "bad breaks," etc.

Everyone has injuries. Everyone has "bad breaks." Those aren't unique to the Indians. The bottom line is this isn't a very good club and hasn't been since 2007.

And Sizemore has always been overrated, even when he was healthy. The guy is a human windmill with a ten-cent throwing arm. And he keeled over and died in the '07 ALCS. If Sizemore is the best player on your club, you're in major trouble.

1) Everyone has injuries and bad breaks, yes...but not everyone loses their leadoff hitter, cleanup hitter, #2 starter, #3 starter, and top setup man.

2) Nobody said Sizemore was the team's best player

3) He finished top ten in MVP voting in 2008 (his last healthy season), was an All-Star, and won both a Gold Glove and Silver Slugger. Apparently baseball people disagree with you.

 

[Steve_424]

They were out of it in late April and the team finished with 69 wins... And with those 69 wins, only a handful of them came with an elite prospect on board and that was Santana...

There was no young high level prospects making noise as the season was winding down... It was basically the same cast of characters that will be here next year.... Guys like Cabrera, Crowe, Choo, LaPorta, Brantley etc.... Nothing that really gets you excited for the future or delivers much promise going forward....

I guess the best thing that came from this season was Chris Perez finally becoming a fucking beast.....

EDIT: I take it back. The best thing that came from this season from the Indians perspective was finally ridding itself of the waste that is Jhonny Peralta...

Apparently you've never heard of:

Lonnie Chisenhall
Nick Hagadone
Hector Rondon
Jason Kipnis
Alex White
Cord Phelps
Nick Weglarz
Josh Judy

 

[Steve_424]

Not a joke at all. You said the Indians haven't had a lot of breaks. Bad teams don't get breaks; the Pirates haven't had anything handed to them either. Good teams make their own breaks through quality drafting and crafty trades and FA acquisitions. Don't bother trying to argue this.

I see where your confusion came in, I could have worded it better...I didn't take note of the "it's a good franchise" portion of your post and instead focused on the "hasn't gotten many breaks." I'm sure you see my point now.

I'm talking about bad breaks in 2005 and 2007, not this year...I don't think either of those teams were bad teams. Every single championship team gets breaks along the way...the Indians did not get those breaks.