Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

[OptimusPrime]

His large hands would help him field Yount's wild snaps. I think we are on to something here.

 

[Tornicade]

His only chance of lasting 5 years in this league is as a QB. Use him in the wildcat or as a receiver is inviting those animals on defense to tee off on him. He already has the biggest target on him in the NFL. Linebackers and safeties would be drooling at the thought of him being put in that position. He wouldn't last 3 games without getting injured. He needs to work hard at being a QB. He's way too small and slow to be a receiver. The only time that will ever work is from a gimmicky play like we saw Sunday. Unfortunately the element of surprise is gone and that play's chances of succeeding again are wildly diminished.

kaepernick had some success in a variation of the wildcat. not sugestng you line up Manziel as a running back.


really if he is that fragile then get out there and let him get hurt and be done with it.

 

[Tornicade]

Torn's nonsense aside, I am happy with how this team is handling Manziel. Get him on the field, give him a chance to make a play on the field but don't give him too much. Let him see the game, see the pre-snap.

Let Hoyer continue his solid play and let Manziel learn. Give him another year, maybe two, before he takes over. Pretty excited we have a good enough team to actually develop a guy like Manziel.

so suggesting the browns continue to do the same is nonsense but your happy with what their doing.

I am happy with the manziel packages.. bring him at qb... put him out there as a te or slot receiver. put him in motion. snap him the ball.. put him out there at the same time as hoyer. . run so lateral reverses and fake reverses.

etc.

Browns have two weeks to expand on their Manziel package.

people are being intentionally obtuse about this wide receiver thing.

 

[Phills14]

so suggesting the browns continue to do the same is nonsense but your happy with what their doing.

I am happy with the manziel packages.. bring him at qb... put him out there as a te or slot receiver. put him in motion. snap him the ball.. put him out there at the same time as hoyer. . run so lateral reverses and fake reverses.

etc.

Browns have two weeks to expand on their Manziel package.

people are being intentionally obtuse about this wide receiver thing.

Seriously, do you even know what you are saying before you type? A 5'11 200lb Tight End. Let that settle in a bit.

 

[Tornicade]

thats the point it doesnt matter where he lines up. the defense has no idea whats going on. is the ball going to jjohnny. is he a decoy. When the defenses start keying in on hoyer and the offense bogs down. theres lots of ways to use Johnny to to keep opponents on their toes.

a johnny play should always be an option whenever the team is in between the thirties.

 

[Phills14]

thats the point it doesnt matter where he lines up. the defense has no idea whats going on. is the ball going to jjohnny. is he a decoy. When the defenses start keying in on hoyer and the offense bogs down. theres lots of ways to use Johnny to to keep opponents on their toes.

a johnny play should always be an option whenever the team is in between the thirties.

It's just so comical to say put him at TE where DE, OLB, Safeties and DT's on stunts can come at full speed and bulldoze him.

 

[Phills14]

Grossi interviewing Manziel on his Hey Tony show

Choose the Hey Tony! w/Tony Grossi and Aaron Goldhammer (49:03) link. It's at the 22 minute mark.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=70&c=2191&f=3374333

 

[Maximus]

Brian Hoyer is not a top 10 QB.

While I appreciate what he's done over the first three games, but I'm begging all of you not to turn him into something he isn't.

It's just unfair to him.

Look. I'm not saying he's a top 10 QB, but what you are doing is unfair. I keep on looking at the "franchise QB's" week after week and most have WAYYYY more weapons and not doing much. I watch these games and say "give that guy our weapons, give Hoyer theirs".

Cutler isn't a top 10 QB in my opinion by any means, but i'm sure all the "experts" would rank him higher than Hoyer. Last night he looked like shit considering the weapons he has. Again, give Hoyer...
Jeffreys, Marshall, Bennett, Holmes and Forte.
Dez, Williams, Witten and Murray
Graham, Colston, Stills, Ingram
Thomas, Thomas, Welker, Sanders and Ball

Give the Seahawks guys like Hawkins, Austin, West and Barnidge the first few weeks. Give the Browns guys like Marshawn, Baldwin, Harvin, and Miller...what happens to the rankings of Hoyer and Wilson?

Who are the top 10 QB's in your opinion? Are any playing with lesser talent than Hoyer played with the first 3 weeks? Personally i think Hoyer made those guys we have look better than they actually are. I'd just like to see what he could do with a healthy Tate, Cameron and Gordon added into the mix.

 

[Tornicade]

yeah btut those quartersbacks arent 2 or 3 consecutive losses from sitting on the bench no matter how decently their playing. at some point if the browns arent winning it makes less and less sense to start hoyer over Manziel

 

[Ruken]

Did I really just read several pages of argument about Manziel holding kicks?


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[AZ_]

Look. I'm not saying he's a top 10 QB, but what you are doing is unfair. I keep on looking at the "franchise QB's" week after week and most have WAYYYY more weapons and not doing much. I watch these games and say "give that guy our weapons, give Hoyer theirs".

Cutler isn't a top 10 QB in my opinion by any means, but i'm sure all the "experts" would rank him higher than Hoyer. Last night he looked like shit considering the weapons he has. Again, give Hoyer...
Jeffreys, Marshall, Bennett, Holmes and Forte.
Dez, Williams, Witten and Murray
Graham, Colston, Stills, Ingram
Thomas, Thomas, Welker, Sanders and Ball

Give the Seahawks guys like Hawkins, Austin, West and Barnidge the first few weeks. Give the Browns guys like Marshawn, Baldwin, Harvin, and Miller...what happens to the rankings of Hoyer and Wilson?

Who are the top 10 QB's in your opinion? Are any playing with lesser talent than Hoyer played with the first 3 weeks? Personally i think Hoyer made those guys we have look better than they actually are. I'd just like to see what he could do with a healthy Tate, Cameron and Gordon added into the mix.

Probably not that much. The Seahawks aren't by any means loaded with weapons, and people here seem to not give any credit to what Hawkins and Austin have done. To say nothing of the Travis Benjamin deep threat as well, which has given him a positive grade thus far.

Furthermore, guys like Graham, Colston and Stills all developed under the tutelage of Brees. Julius Thomas is who he is because they brought him up alongside Peyton Manning.

You're also pointing to a number of mediocre weapons like Santonio Holmes, Martellus Bennett. If those guys are here, would we view them any different than Miles Austin? I wouldn't....

In no order, I'd put these QBs ahead of Hoyer:

Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Russell Wilson
Philip Rivers
Andrew Luck
Matt Ryan
Andy Dalton
Aaron Rodgers
Cam Newton
Jay Cutler
Matt Stafford
Tony Romo
Ben Roethlisberger
Nick Foles

That's 14 right there, and you could absolutely make a case for:

Colin Kaepernick
Joe Flacco
Geno Smith
Kirk Cousins
Tom Brady


If were using three weeks as the barometer, put this guy ahead of Hoyer too:

Austin Davis

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

so suggesting the browns continue to do the same is nonsense but your happy with what their doing.

I am happy with the manziel packages.. bring him at qb... put him out there as a te or slot receiver. put him in motion. snap him the ball.. put him out there at the same time as hoyer. . run so lateral reverses and fake reverses.

etc.

Browns have two weeks to expand on their Manziel package.

people are being intentionally obtuse about this wide receiver thing.

No, absolutely not what you are saying. There is literally one play that they ran with Manziel being a WR, and it's not like he lined up and set like that. Do NOT use him regularly outside of QB, because that's when you give teams free shots at him, and trust me when I say that teams will absolutely crush him if they have that shot.

Also, it does nothing for his development to do that and he's not a great enough athlete to be lined up at these other spots. He's not a guy like Kaepernick or Pryor who have incredible physical gifts that they can play all over the field. He's not even Kordell Stewart, so there is no reason to use him like that.

 

[The Oi]

Agreed that Hoyer is a middle of the pack guy. Top 15-20 is where he's at. There's actually a lot of good QBs right now, which is as much a testament to how poorly the Browns have failed at getting one as it is that a 15-20 ranking could still get you an effective QB.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If the Browns aren't winning, that means changes need to be made on the defensive end, which has been the major disappointment of the season so far. Which move changes the effort level of the team:

1. Demote the guy who has over achieved and played a career year for the guy who partied his way through the summer...

or...

2. Demote/ bench Haden, making 12.1 million this year to impersonate burnt toast... or the sucky Rubin who is making no impact at 8.1 million this year... or the disappointing free agents Whitner and Dansby making bank?

 

[Soda]

If the Browns aren't winning, that means changes need to be made on the defensive end, which has been the major disappointment of the season so far. Which move changes the effort level of the team:

1. Demote the guy who has over achieved and played a career year for the guy who partied his way through the summer...

or...

2. Demote/ bench Haden, making 12.1 million this year to impersonate burnt toast... or the sucky Rubin who is making no impact at 8.1 million this year... or the disappointing free agents Whitner and Dansby making bank?

I may mistaken, but hasn't Dansby been a good player for this crappy defense?