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This could help the Indians in a big way. Peralta is having a nice season - losing him would really hurt them. Their 6-9 slots would be pretty weak.

Let's not forget the Indians are currently in the Wild Card hunt, with Texas as one of their main competitors. The Rangers losing Cruz would hurt them quite a bit - he's quietly had a really nice 2013 campaign.

Let's just hope none of the "other names" are in Cleveland. I'd love to see Miggy or Prince on there though. :chuckles:
 
Johnny Juicer hit a grand slam today.

What happens when nobody gets suspended because of the appeal bullshit, and then Peralta absolutely goes off in the playoffs and is the reason Detroit wins games, and THEN he gets suspended?

As Heyman stated, it's a risk to appeal because he's a free agent after this season & it would greatly hurt his stock going forward
 
This could help the Indians in a big way. Peralta is having a nice season - losing him would really hurt them. Their 6-9 slots would be pretty weak.

Let's not forget the Indians are currently in the Wild Card hunt, with Texas as one of their main competitors. The Rangers losing Cruz would hurt them quite a bit - he's quietly had a really nice 2013 campaign.

Let's just hope none of the "other names" are in Cleveland. I'd love to see Miggy or Prince on there though. :chuckles:

I can't think of any player on the Indians I could see as a juicer lol. Now that Pronk is gone ha
 
I can't think of any player on the Indians I could see as a juicer lol. Now that Pronk is gone ha

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Re: big steroid bomb about to drop?

Second or third offenses should carry Hall of Fame asterisks or bans. I can guarantee that would wake some of these guys up.

Edit: How is it fair that there stands the possibility that Ryan Braun be enshrined next to Hank Aaron and Willie Mays?


Of all the guys you could name, you chose one that admitted to trying amps and one who had a special "red juice". MLB players have been trying to cheat, including putting chemicals into their bodies, for generations upon generations. I have no idea why anyone thinks this is a new thing.
 
Latest from Jon Heyman:

MLB seeks biggest PED ban it can get on A-Rod, who promises fight

With major Biogenesis suspensions looming for Alex Rodriguez and about nine other players, A-Rod and Major League Baseball remained locked in a battle over his future as a baseball player -- MLB prefers him never to step on a big-league ballfield again as an active player, and he's trying to desperately to get there.

MLB powers remain hopeful that Rodriguez accepts a long suspension that would take effect immediately -- a ban through the 2014 season is one possibility that could be on the table. But if A-Rod won't cut a deal, MLB might try for a much stiffer penalty, even a lifetime ban. Commissioner Bud Selig also has the possibility in his pocket of sidestepping the Joint Drug Agreement and invoking a "best interests" clause from the Collective Bargaining Agreement to remove him immediately from the playing field.

Meanwhile, time is running short for A-Rod to cut a deal with MLB, as penalties are expected to be announced by late this week.

MLB is working with all the affected players and appears likely to suspend or have an agreement to suspend the other Biogenesis-linked players who have never previously been suspended for 50 games, though it's remotely possible one or two others could get more than 50. Word is, though, that three players on the Biogenesis dockets -- Athletics pitcher Bartolo Colon, Blue Jays outfielder Melky Cabrera and Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal -- aren't expected to be punished further as they are apparently considered to have done their time with suspensions served for failed tests in 2012.

A-Rod is the headline-grabbing name, but the other players with 50-game bans looming are Rangers outfielder Nelson Cruz, Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta, Mariners catcher Jesus Montero, Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli, Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera and minor leaguers Fernando Martinez, Fautino de los Santos, Cesar Puello and Norbeto Martin.

MLB is believed to want to announce all the suspensions at once. There is no evidence that any additional big names not already made public will be included on the suspension list, as had been suggested in reports.

Some players are believed willing to cooperate by cutting a deal. But it isn't known how many cases MLB arbitrator Fredric Horowitz will have to hear on appeal.

Meanwhile, A-Rod's punishment remains in considerable question, as MLB seems to be shooting for the ultimate penalty while also considering an initial ban under the CBA that appears to allow Selig the power to keep him away from the field as A-Rod pursues an appeal. The rule incorporates the "best interests" of the game to broaden the commissioner's power.

This possibility of Selig sidestepping the Joint Drug Agreement was first reported by the Associated Press and elaborated on by the New York Daily News, and would allow Selig to set up a hearing with 30 days with him as arbitrator. It's unclear whether the union could prevent such an action in any way other than by re-opening the CBA, which would seem an extreme measure and unlikely to be undertaken. If Selig takes this extraordinary measure while A-Rod is sidelined, Selig presumably would invoke a second ban, laying out how many games the suspension lasts.

But while MLB is believed to have been proposing the stiffest penalties behind the scenes, based on a belief A-Rod impeded its investigation by attempting to obtain documents and preventing MLB from receiving them, Rodriguez has been suggesting to friends he had no intention to make a compromise deal with MLB. A-Rod's lawyer David Cornwall told ESPN the plan is to appeal before MLB's arbitrator Frederic Cornwall and that that is where their focus is. A-Rod apparently has not offered to take any ban in discussions through the union, which is serving as an intermediary, so far.

MLB and union executives didn't return messages Tuesday.

MLB is trying to turn the clock to their favor with the option to suspend immediately, as Rodriguez tries feverishly to return to the Yankees' lineup. He is scheduled to try a rehab or simulated game Thursday after being sidelined because of a Grade 1 quad strain in his comeback attempt from a second extensive hip surgery. That is right about the same time MLB will issue its ruling.

MLB has been in contact with the other Biogenesis-linked players, who could sign off on individual deals within the next couple days. MLB is offering penalties of 50 games to many of those involved, as that is the penalty for a first failed test or drug infraction under the Joint Drug Agreement.

Ryan Braun agreed to a 65-game ban in connection with the Biogenesis case, above the usual 50, with the extra 15 being for his disparaging comments about MLB drug program at the time he convinced MLB's former arbitrator Shyam Das to overturn his failed test from late in 2011.

The extra 15 games out would fall under the CBA heading, so Selig already has used the agreement to go past the 50 games.

MLB is believed too have extensive evidence linking A-Rod to Tony Bosch and Biogenesis, the Miami "wellness" clinic, possibly including emails and texts. Bosch has been one of MLB's star witnesses.

Rodriguez has never failed a non-survey test (he failed the 2003 survey exam) and never been penalized, so Rodriguez may argue it's a major leap to go from zero to a lifetime ban. MLB would need to prove multiple infractions to extend the ban beyond 50 games, and between his past testimony and reams of evidence there's no doubt they will shoot for a penalty well beyond Braun's.

Rodriguez has been called into answer MLB powers before, and if his previous denials prove to be false, they could hook him with multiple infractions. The big question is whether they can somehow get to three infractions, which would be tantamount to three strikes.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22943317/mlb-seeks-biggest-ped-ban-it-can-get-on-arod-who-promises-fight
 
It would be so MLB to help the Yankees out and give Arod a lifetime ban. I actually think a lifetime ban is way too much.
 
Major League Baseball came down heavy Monday on the players it found to have been involved with the South Florida clinic Biogenesis, suspending Alex Rodriguez through the end of the 2014 season and banning 12 others for 50 games, including three All-Stars: Nelson Cruz of the Texas Rangers, Everth Cabrera of the San Diego Padres and Jhonny Peralta of the Detroit Tigers.
MLB commissioner Bud Selig, in two statements addressing Rodriguez's discipline and a more general one on the state of baseball's ant-drug program, said he was "proud of the comprehensive nature of our efforts -- not only with regard to random testing, groundbreaking blood testing for human Growth Hormone and one of the most significant longitudinal profiling programs in the world, but also our investigative capabilities, which proved vital to the Biogenesis case."

Selig said Rodriguez's punishment will begin Thursday and cover the postseasons and was covered under the drug program's protocols and Rodriguez's "use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited performance-enhancing substances, including testosterone and human growth hormone, over the course of multiple years.

"Rodriguez's discipline under the Basic Agreement is for attempting to cover-up his violations of the program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner's investigation," Selig said in the statement.

Rodriguez is expected to appeal the suspension, equivalent to 211 regular-season games, and will be allowed to play until his appeal is heard.

"Under the terms of the Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program, Rodriguez's suspension will be stayed until the completion of his appeal if Rodriguez files a grievance challenging his discipline," Selig said.

The 12 other players agreed to deals for their suspensions in which they gave up the right to appeals. The other nine are:
• Antonio Bastardo, Phillies reliever

• Francisco Cervelli, Yankees catcher (on DL)

• Jordany Valdespin, Mets outfielder (minors)

• Jesus Montero, Mariners catcher (minors)

• Cesar Puello, Mets outfielder (minors)

• Sergio Escalona, Astros pitcher (minors)

• Fernando Martinez, Yankees outfielder (minors)

• Fautino De Los Santos, free-agent pitcher

• Jordan Norberto, free-agent pitcher

The players' union made a late appeal to MLB for a deal for Rodriguez but was told there would be no more negotiations, sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn.

Beyond Rodriguez, the suspensions come with potentially stiff consequences for at least two of the players and their teams. Cruz, Cabrera and Peralta were each All-Stars this season, with Cruz's Rangers and Peralta's Detroit Tigers contending for playoff berths.

In a separate statement, Cruz said his punishment was a result of "an error in judgment that I deeply regret, and I accept full responsibility for that error," saying he had been seriously ill in early 2012 with a gastrointestinal infection called helicobacter pylori that went undiagnosed for more than a month.
"I should have handled the situation differently, and my illness was no excuse," Cruz said in the news release. "I am thankful for the unwavering support of my family, friends, and teammates during this difficult time. I look forward to regaining the trust and respect of the Rangers organization, my teammates, and the great Rangers' fans, and I am grateful for the opportunity to rejoin the team for the playoffs."

Milwaukee outfielder Ryan Braun was the first player to reach an agreement with MLB on a suspension for his connection to the Biogenesis case. The 2011 NL MVP accepted a season-ending 65-game suspension last month.

The Yankees have said they expected Rodriguez to be accused of recruiting other athletes for the clinic, attempting to obstruct MLB's investigation and not being truthful with MLB in the past when he discussed his relationship with Dr. Anthony Galea, who pleaded guilty two years ago to a federal charge of bringing unapproved drugs into the United States from Canada.

The Yankees also expected Rodriguez to be eligible to play Monday night, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney, because they expected his suspension to be tied solely to a drug-policy violation and thus eligible to be appealed.

Evan Longoria, the Tampa Bay Rays' three-time All-Star third baseman, weighed in on the news of the suspensions via Twitter:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9540755/mlb-bans-13-including-alex-rodriguez-new-york-yankees-2014

So the guys who got 50 game bans will be available for the post season?
 
MLB just suspended me for reading the Biogenesis report in a conspicuous manner. When i told them I didnt even play Baseball. They threatened to put me through a congressional hearing.

Baseball knows these suspension will only stick if the players agree to it. Thats why they came out with ridiculous hardball penalties to get everyone to agree to the penalties. Arod didnt fall for the lifetime ban and they gave him exactly what they offered if would agree not to protest the suspension. Looking at the other guys. it is not surprising they all took the deal.
 
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A-Rod's suspension will begin Thursday, pending his appeal.
 
MLB just suspended me for reading the Biogenesis report in a conspicuous manner. When i told them I didnt even play Baseball. They threatened to put me through a congressional hearing.

Baseball knows these suspension will only stick if the players agree to it. Thats why they came out with ridiculous hardball penalties to get everyone to agree to the penalties. Arod didnt fall for the lifetime ban and they gave him exactly what they offered if would agree not to protest the suspension. Looking at the other guys. it is not surprising they all took the deal.

i don't think it is a lack of evidence so much as MLB and the union, who have worked jointly on these suspensions- not wanting to see another Ryan Braun situation where the arbitrator allows what was essentially an uncovered situation in the testing to submarine a deserved suspension. Both the union and MLB looked stupid there- compounded by Braun's grandstanding afterwards- and they wanted to avoid that. It benefits both to get the suspensions started and over with as soon as possible. It isn't so much about a lack of evidence as a desire by both sides to see players who are actively seeking PEDs to be punished accordingly and not let off by an arbitrator because of a technicality. Plus going to an arbitrator means all of the stuff will come out, and drags this out. The sooner these suspensions start the sooner the league overall can put this behind them. Not sure what will happen with the arbitrator and ARod, but unless the new guy is keeping SHyam Das as a counsel I really can't see it ending well, especially if baseball used the 'best interests of the game' clause. Remember, part of ARods suspension is that he recruited other players to the clinic, and you don't need a positive drug test to nail him there.
 
You're seeing the beginning of Alex Rodriguez's farewell tour tonight, as I don't believe he'll ever play again following his inevitable suspension.

The fight is going to get ugly, and none of it will be good for the game.

I would not be the least bit surprised if the Yankees go after the contract, and have the unquestionable advantage of being a perceived victim in this case.

It may sound somewhat overdramatic, but MLB really needs to be careful navigating around this appeals process given the alienation some fans feel towards the game in general after all of these scandals. Don't get me started on the hypocrisy of hating baseball while football gets a pass, but this is the shark circling the waters around MLB and they desperately need to get this era behind them and focus on the declining interest in the game.

EDIT: After watching A-Rod's press conference, he's clearly already in full arbitration mode. He sidestepped Tyler Kepner's question about denying the use of PEDs knowing full well everything he says is fair game from now until that arbitration.
 
It was just something I heard on a BS Report and waa thinking about...are we really to believe that this Biogenesis is the only place that is providing drugs to athletes? They need to keep searching out clinics, etc.
 

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