Josh Gordon discussion

[GreasySpread36]

Reminds me of watching Manny Ramirez when he was a young player with the Indians back in the mid 90's. You know you're seeing greatness.

I've been watching this team for three decades and Josh is the most gifted talent I've ever seen in a Browns uniform- hands down. At any position, with all due respect to Big Joe. Might be the best pure talent this franchise has had since Paul Warfield or Jim Brown. He's that good.

 

[Soda]

Reminds me of watching Manny Ramirez when he was a young player with the Indians back in the mid 90's. You know you're seeing greatness.

Not counting possible injury/suspension, 2 things will make that ending different... 1) The Cap and; 2) The Franchise Tag.

 

[natedagg]

That was the kind of game that Josh needed because it wasn't just the production, it was getting back in to the competitive mode. I don't think you can just turn that on/off, but with the game so close and the way it played out like it did, I think he is all kinds of fired up.

I don't feel like I articulated my point well. What I mean is that it's one thing to be fired up to get back on the field and play again, and it's another, more important thing to recognize that you are part of a team and your contributions at a high level were what got us a win on the road. That's the kind of feeling that can keep him playing consistently at a high level, and to feel us win, which he isn't really used to, will really catalyze his trajectory.

It's hard to imagine he can get better, but honestly, he should get better from here on out. Wow.

 

[Binkster]

Ugh... Just keep quiet and play, man.


Josh Gordon has gotten the cold shoulder from some Cleveland Browns since suspension, he says in interview

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group
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on November 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM, updated November 26, 2014 at 10:43 AM




CLEVELAND, Ohio -- All-Pro receiver Josh Gordon told his good friend Nate Burleson in an interview for NFL Network that he's felt alienated by some of his former friends in the Browns organization since being suspended again for violating the substance-abuse policy.

"The lowest point of all this I think was the disassociation from a lot of friends you thought were close or you thought you were kind of cool with really not checking on you anymore, [not] hitting you up anymore, [not] wanting to hang out,'' Gordon says. "As far as even people in here (with the Browns), I don't want to throw names around, but I can see it.

"I'm definitely really observant so I see how people might just be more standoffish (than) they were before. It's kind of like a disease. People they want to see it, but they don't really want to touch it."

Gordon opened up to Burleson because the two became friends when Burleson was with the Browns from April until he was cut Aug. 30. The quote is an excerpt from that interview, which will air at 9 a.m. on NFL Network's NFL GameDay Morning.

Gordon returned to the field in Atlanta following his 10-game suspension, and caught eight of his 16 targets for 120 yards. But two passes intended for him in the final five minutes were picked off, including one in the back of the end zone by Desmond Trufant that he didn't fight hard enough to catch or prevent Trufant from swiping.

In an interview Tuesday with ESPN's Mike and Mike, coach Mike Pettine acknowledged that Gordon needs to step it up on some of those plays.

"I don't know if I've ever seen anybody just make it look so effortless, but he's a guy that he still knows he's got to get some things cleaned up and when there's some 50-50 balls down the field, we're going to work on having him go attack the ball a little bit more,'' said Pettine. "But we know it and he knows it as well that there are things he needs to improve on, but we couldn't have asked for a better start for him coming off of his suspension.''

Gordon acknowledged that being back with the Browns "means the world'' to him and that it's "what I live for and what I work for.''

He stressed that he's on a mission to help get the Browns into the playoffs this season.

Browns owner Jimmy Haslam spoke to Gordon in the locker room after the 26-24 victory over the Falcons. Haslam has been supportive of Gordon throughout his ordeal and occasionally embraced him at training camp.

In the days leading up to the game, Gordon's teammates praised him and expressed their excitement for having him back.

The only indication that the Browns were preceding with caution on Gordon was an interview last month with general manager Ray Farmer,who stressed that Gordon would have show he fits in with what the Browns are trying to do and that they wouldn't upset the applecart to accommodate him.

"Do you disrupt what you do offensively just to make sure that you throw the ball to Josh Gordon?'' Farmer said. "I don't know if that's really the right way to operate. Is he a phenomenal talent? Sure I'd tell you that he is a talented young man and he can do a lot of good things.

"But do you kind of disrupt what you are to just make sure that one person gets the ball? I think that teams win. Talent doesn't. It's really about building a team and people have to find a way to fit into the team and I think that's what we're looking for here is a championship-level team.''

He added that "there's no slight on Josh. There's no intimation that I said that he was suspect or he wasn't doing anything that he was asked to do. This is more of everybody that comes through our football team, it's not based on talent, it's based upon can you fit into what we're going to do short and long term."

Gordon said he agreed with Farmer that he has to prove himself all over again to a new staff and some new teammates.

 

[Soda]

This dude always has someone doing him wrong...

I can see how it would be difficult to not trip up when you put so much shit in your own way.

 

[SixPACK]

Help lead us to the playoffs and I am sure those cold shoulders will turn their frowns upside down.

I mean if I was a veteran on the team, I would be kind of upset too. They want you to get your act together, but you need to prove it to everyone you are done with drugs.

Everything will be fine. He just can't voice it every time someone doesn't join him in the ice bath after games.

 

[SixPACK]

 

[Soar]

We've all been focused on the QB position and rightfully so but Josh Gordon has looked extremely lazy out there since he came back.

He had a good first game but since then, he just looks like he is going through the motions lazily putting out a hand here or there trying to make a catch.

It isn't all on him. The QB is a big part too. But Gordon has not impressed me at all. He just doesn't look like he is passionate about playing football.

 

[Norm]

We've all been focused on the QB position and rightfully so but Josh Gordon has looked extremely lazy out there since he came back.

He had a good first game but since then, he just looks like he is going through the motions lazily putting out a hand here or there trying to make a catch.

It isn't all on him. The QB is a big part too. But Gordon has not impressed me at all. He just doesn't look like he is passionate about playing football.

Noticed this myself. He looks in great shape. But he looks winded and lost. Not being able to take the hits all season seems to really have got to him. He looks more like he's bracing for impact now, rather than initiating it like he did last year. He's out of sync bigtime with either of the QBs as well. Even if the pass is catchable, but not right on, he seems to pout with his body language.

 

[Marbles]

Gordon is a giant disappointment. I honestly thought he just wanted Manziel to start and was dogging it but after yesterday's performance i'm not sure what to think. I think we'll see a more realistic view of his future next year. I dont think he'll be like he was in 2013 but he'll be better then 2014.

 

[Soda]

Gordon is pulling a Putin... Putin invades Ukraine while telling people, "nothing to see here, we're not invading Ukraine"

Gordon, meanwhile, dogs it on the field all day, half-assing routes and not blocking... Gets called out, doesn't own up..

 

[AZ_]

Can you guys point to a specific example of him dogging it?

Or is this just backlash from his lack of production thus far?

Guess I'm just not seeing what Merill Hoge is seeing.

 

[Soda]

Can you guys point to a specific example of him dogging it?

No. Watch the game. If you were there, or paying attention to his play specifically, you'd see it. Everyone sees it.

I'm not going to break-out the All-22 so you don't passively aggressively say I (we) don't know how to analyze football. Again.

 

[TwoPistols]

I don't think Gordon is dogging it. I just think he's an immense physical talent that lacks a WR mentality. He doesn't have the mentality to go get a ball at all costs. Looking back at it, I can't think of any time where I thought he made a difficult catch. I don't know if it's lack or opportunity or on Gordon, but I like to think the mentality is what separates him from a guy like Dez Bryant. Dez will fight for every ball. He will jump to snatch balls from defenders, and he does everything he can to breakup potential interceptions. I need to see Gordon do more of the same, and at least give him the opportunity to make big plays.

 

[AZ_]

Ok, I'll make sure to watch the game next week.