Jovan Belcher and Gun Control

[KI4MVP]

^^ his girlfriend is dead because he acted out of anger and immediately regretted it. He regretted it before she even died.

As for the rest of your post, there is a lot of good stuff in there.

I also realize that we aren't going to do away with guns in this country. We could do better, though. Assult weapons were banned by the brady bill. 10 years later the ban was lifted. What is the purpose of that? Assault weapons aren't needed for protection or hunting.

Also, I personally am concerned not just with the murders, but also the accidental deaths where children die playing with guns. We could eliminate children killing each other playing with guns if guns could only be shot by their owner.

 

[The Oi]

3D Printer technology is improving at a geometric rate. Prices of 3D printers are also falling. A decade from now I would imagine a lot of homes will have 3D printers. It will be interesting to see the impact 3D printers have on certain businesses. People will start making things they need at home if the price of the printer material/composites are cheaper than the product they are trying to make. You can make basically anything that you can find a CAD drawing of or that you can scan. You can make a lower receiver for a gun(the only regulated part) with a 3D printer...probably in under an hour.

I guess my main point is, that the time is coming where people will be able to print themselves a glock or two while they are watching a cavs game.




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On a related note, I met one of the companies that makes these at the PRI in Orlando and we've worked with them on a commercial basis. Incredible technology. Definitely not affordable to your average individual yet, though some of the lower end models are coming close.

 

[The Oi]

^^ his girlfriend is dead because he acted out of anger and immediately regretted it. He regretted it before she even died.

As for the rest of your post, there is a lot of good stuff in there.

I also realize that we aren't going to do away with guns in this country. We could do better, though. Assult weapons were banned by the brady bill. 10 years later the ban was lifted. What is the purpose of that? Assault weapons aren't needed for protection or hunting.

Also, I personally am concerned not just with the murders, but also the accidental deaths where children die playing with guns. We could eliminate children killing each other playing with guns if guns could only be shot by their owner.

Agree wholeheartedly on assault weapons. The problem with this, as always, is that people that are bad for society continue to breed other people that are bad for society. If you really wanted to eliminate violent crime, and gun crime, you'd have to eliminate these people. No clue how that can be done.

 

[Otsego Mar]

^^ his girlfriend is dead because he acted out of anger and immediately regretted it. He regretted it before she even died.

As for the rest of your post, there is a lot of good stuff in there.

I also realize that we aren't going to do away with guns in this country. We could do better, though. Assult weapons were banned by the brady bill. 10 years later the ban was lifted. What is the purpose of that? Assault weapons aren't needed for protection or hunting.

Also, I personally am concerned not just with the murders, but also the accidental deaths where children die playing with guns. We could eliminate children killing each other playing with guns if guns could only be shot by their owner.

We certainly can, by continuing to educate those who own guns AND their children about them. Mistakes are ALWAYS going to happen...people are stupid.

Guns can be "shot only by their owner", but only if that owner takes the proper precautionary procedures. It's quite simple, IMO.

 

[Notorious]

Assult weapons were banned by the brady bill. 10 years later the ban was lifted. What is the purpose of that? Assault weapons aren't needed for protection or hunting.

Also, I personally am concerned not just with the murders, but also the accidental deaths where children die playing with guns.

If you can tell me where in the constitution it says you have the right to bear arms for protection and hunting I'll give you $1,000 right now. The sad fact is how many people have died and will die protecting your freedom. Which is only possible because of this one document.

It's sad that so many are so willing to throw away their freedoms without even understanding why they have them. The complete and utter definition of ignorance.


Gun deaths per 100,000 in the United States 2.8
Auto deaths per 100,000 in the United States 11.7

Cars are almost 4 times as deadly as guns and there are far less of them than guns floating around. Why are we not outlawing cars?

The answer is simple. Because most of had our testes drop from our stomachs into our sacs when we were babies. We realize that we're only guaranteed death in this life. That accidents will happen with so many people on this earth. Some asshole could cream you tomorrow with his car. Enjoy your life and stop thinking you can ensure living to 80 years old. You can't, your life is not always in your control.

Get over it!

 

[Otsego Mar]

3D Printer technology is improving at a geometric rate. Prices of 3D printers are also falling. A decade from now I would imagine a lot of homes will have 3D printers. It will be interesting to see the impact 3D printers have on certain businesses. People will start making things they need at home if the price of the printer material/composites are cheaper than the product they are trying to make. You can make basically anything that you can find a CAD drawing of or that you can scan. You can make a lower receiver for a gun(the only regulated part) with a 3D printer...probably in under an hour.

I guess my main point is, that the time is coming where people will be able to print themselves a glock or two while they are watching a cavs game.




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I used to envision being able to have things "faxed" to me 10 or 15 years ago (i.e. physical objects like food, etc). This literally takes it to that level, although with tool making and materials production (freakin' awesome).

1 important thing to point out - only the lower receivers (the lower portion of a weapon that the bullet does not pass through after being detonated) can be printed (at least based on this video) from these 3D printers (still cool). The barrels will need to be made out of some type of metal, although I bet they can find a way to print those eventually, too.

I messed around with AutoCad while I was enrolled in computer engineering at Ohio State...pretty neat program and I'm sure it's one of the programs or types of programs they use to do this stuff.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Jigo just curious, do you have any familiarity with gun makers Taurus down there in Florida?

 

[The Oi]

Jigo just curious, do you have any familiarity with gun makers Taurus down there in Florida?

I do not. My knowledge of guns is actually pretty minimal. I just firmly believe that responsible people should be allowed to own them and do whatever they want with them, presuming they're not hurting anyone that hasn't attacked them.

 

[Tornicade]

Jig thats rather responsible to not own a gun because you dont feel your responsible enough.. this inner conflict must be causing you great turmoil

 

[Phills14]

With regard to gun control I have a few thoughts.

1. Banning all guns is simply unrealistic and no one is advocating this idea.
2. Assault weapons serve no purpose in the general public. Military and law enforcement yes but to you and me, absolutely not.
3. There needs to be a certification process in order to legally obtain a gun. Our current process is a joke. I believe in order to purchase and own a gun you need to pass baseline mental competency and personality tests at purchase and be subject to recertification much like a drivers license. The goal would be to make it harder for mentally unstable or challenged folks to obtain the weapon.
4. Make owning an illegal or unregistered gun a more significant crime. Mandatory jail time, significant fine, longer probation, etc. if you put restrictions on the legal purchase of guns there will be a bigger black market for them. We have to be stronger in our punishments to counteract this activity.

 

[The Oi]

Jig thats rather responsible to not own a gun because you dont feel your responsible enough.. this inner conflict must be causing you great turmoil

In all seriousness, there's a few reasons I don't own a gun and that's one of them. In no particular order, the reason I don't own a gun are:

(1) I live in an extremely low crime area. Home invasions are almost non-existent

(2) I have minimal experience shooting guns and thus don't trust that in the heat of the moment that I could use one to kill somebody- and I believe firmly in shooting to kill during a home invasion. I also believe in setting up a crime scene if possible, immediately calling the police after and shutting your mouth when the cops show up. I don't trust that I'd even get the first step done ie killing somebody

(3) My wife does not see the value in owning a gun and i DEFINITELY don't trust that she'd use it if the house was invaded. So we've agreed on a couple home invasion plans that involve no shooting. :chuckles:

So until I feel motivated enough to learn about guns, practice until I'm confident I could kill somebody during an attack and get my wife on board...I won't own a gun. I assume her desire would go up if we ever have a break-in. My brother-in-law's dad King Ralph who lives down the street was able to ward off a break in using a friggin sword and a lot of yelling so that doesn't help my cause. I think my wife would let me get a broadsword if I wanted.

 

[Otsego Mar]

In all seriousness, there's a few reasons I don't own a gun and that's one of them. In no particular order, the reason I don't own a gun are:

(1) I live in an extremely low crime area. Home invasions are almost non-existent

(2) I have minimal experience shooting guns and thus don't trust that in the heat of the moment that I could use one to kill somebody- and I believe firmly in shooting to kill during a home invasion. I also believe in setting up a crime scene if possible, immediately calling the police after and shutting your mouth when the cops show up. I don't trust that I'd even get the first step done ie killing somebody

(3) My wife does not see the value in owning a gun and i DEFINITELY don't trust that she'd use it if the house was invaded. So we've agreed on a couple home invasion plans that involve no shooting. :chuckles:

So until I feel motivated enough to learn about guns, practice until I'm confident I could kill somebody during an attack and get my wife on board...I won't own a gun. I assume her desire would go up if we ever have a break-in. My brother-in-law's dad King Ralph who lives down the street was able to ward off a break in using a friggin sword and a lot of yelling so that doesn't help my cause. I think my wife would let me get a broadsword if I wanted.

Good stuff.

1 - Crime knows no boundaries - keep that in the back of your head.

2 - LEARN - I've found that practicing at the range or in my backyard (my township has no law regarding discharges of firearms) is somewhat therapeutic. Remember how you said you had no clue how to build your PC, but it was a piece of cake? Well, same thing applies to learning to shoot and use weapons. Also, I understand your philosophy of "shooting to kill" - but I would be careful with this. I would advise the proper "term", if you had to explain it to police or a judge, etc, would be that your life was in danger and you shoot until the threat is eliminated (not necessarily the criminal's life).

3 - Women are retarded.


Home invasion/break-in plans without guns are great, but you better hope your ass off that the assailants don't have weapons and they aren't ready to kill you with them.

I hope nobody ever has to use a gun, but I'd rather have one and never need to use it than not have one and need to use one.

The tipping point for me was when I heard about the execution style killings of those cleveland clinic nurses a few years back downtown after leaving shooters. I no longer trust people, and take my safety extremely serious.

 

[KI4MVP]

We certainly can, by continuing to educate those who own guns AND their children about them. Mistakes are ALWAYS going to happen...people are stupid.

Guns can be "shot only by their owner", but only if that owner takes the proper precautionary procedures. It's quite simple, IMO.

there is technology available that prevents anyone other than the guns owner from shooting that gun.

 

[MalTalm]

Why the hate for assault weapons? Most of the already gun-related homicides are caused by pistols, murder by assault weapon is almost nonexistent.
The purpose of the right to bear arms is to protect ourselves from our government, if it is ever necessary.

Our forefathers had the foresight to know even a democracy could one day become corrupt and oppressive. The 2nd amendment is a small step to prevent it.

 

[Notorious]

With regard to gun control I have a few thoughts.

1. Banning all guns is simply unrealistic and no one is advocating this idea.
2. Assault weapons serve no purpose in the general public. Military and law enforcement yes but to you and me, absolutely not.
3. There needs to be a certification process in order to legally obtain a gun. Our current process is a joke. I believe in order to purchase and own a gun you need to pass baseline mental competency and personality tests at purchase and be subject to recertification much like a drivers license. The goal would be to make it harder for mentally unstable or challenged folks to obtain the weapon.
4. Make owning an illegal or unregistered gun a more significant crime. Mandatory jail time, significant fine, longer probation, etc. if you put restrictions on the legal purchase of guns there will be a bigger black market for them. We have to be stronger in our punishments to counteract this activity.

It's pretty clear your not a gun owner and certainly have no idea what an "assault weapon" is other than what the media tells you, of which you would be wrong. Why not go to a shooting range? Excercise your second amendment right and purchase a gun and become educated. Hell I will take you shooting so you can speak from experience.

It just bugs me to no end when people have no hands on experience, and somehow think they're qualified to make an opinion, after seeing a biased and wrong news cast for 5 minutes.

Offer stands to anyone who would like to learn how to shoot. PM me and I will take you out shooting.