JR Smith

[col63onel]

Whether David Stern or Adam Silver is deciding the punishment, the punishment is handed down by the NBA, not an individual. The NBA can only suspend players because that right was collectively bargained by the NBPA(one behalf of its members) to the NBA as part of the CBA.

As a result, there are established processes for how this goes down and the precedent of what the NBA has done to discipline players is what matters, not an individual. The NBA's precedent doesn't stop with a change of leadership.

Allowing more than 1 person to hand out non-arbitrary punishments? How absurd.

Signed,
Roger Goodell

 

[godfather]

The NBA can't risk not having the Cavs in the finals, so suspending JR for multiple games, is very risky. If the Atlanta Hawks make the finals, the NBA might set the record for lowest ratings ever.

These entire playoffs have been dog shit garbage, and ratings throughout have been in the toilet.

Adam Silver, you are terrible. The NBA stands the risk of going in the shitter because of you.

 

[MikeOC33]

Some positive news. Crowder will avoid surgery... bone bruise / sprain.

View: https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/592714981654831104

Positive news... he's got the rest of the off season to rest and rehab. A ss hole.

 

[KI4MVP]

Are you dense? What does Boston have to do with what I posted? I was paralleling the idea of suspending our player for only 1 game in the postseason and more games to start the season with another team(who is still playing) doing an egregious offense that calls for a suspension to one of our players.

If our guy deserves to have only 1 game of his suspension applied in the postseason, why not Chicago's or Atlanta's or whatever team? Are you suggesting because we're no longer playing Boston? Well, James Harden didn't have to wait until the next time he played us to serve his suspension for kicking LeBron in the nuts.

This argument is not really worth the time because it can't and won't happen. We might as well discuss if the NBA will let JR pay his fine in Skittles or pipelaying.

If someone can find an instance of punishment being partially applied immediately and then the remaining punishment being applied months later, I'm all ears. In reality(which we have to deal with), punishments are handed down immediately and suspensions are observed immediately unless they are in the process of being appealed.

you said a player doing something to LeBron and then coming back to play us. We aren't playing Boston again, so how is the situation similar. I also expanded my response you quoted.

Boston was facing elimination and was going well beyond the rules to try to stay in the series. Why should a team doing that be allowed to seriously damage our chances in the next round. What they did through the game and the series wasn't basketball.

 

[MikeOC33]

And one more thing... for all of the NBA's lip service about sending a message that certain behaviors are not to be tolerated... punches, hard fouls, etc....

.... anyone want to predict who Boston's opening day opponent will be next year? I predict it will be Cleveland. Why? Because the NBA knows there is bad blood between the two teams, there might be more retaliation in the game, and they'll want to take advantage of a potential rating boost.

NBA wants to finger point and lament the violence of a physical game, but they will absolutely try to take a tv ratings advantage from the very type of physical play they want to punish and eliminate.

 

[macbdog]

And one more thing... for all of the NBA's lip service about sending a message that certain behaviors are not to be tolerated... punches, hard fouls, etc....

.... anyone want to predict who Boston's opening day opponent will be next year? I predict it will be Cleveland. Why? Because the NBA knows there is bad blood between the two teams, there might be more retaliation in the game, and they'll want to take advantage of a potential rating boost.

NBA wants to finger point and lament the violence of a physical game, but they will absolutely try to take a tv ratings advantage from the very type of physical play they want to punish and eliminate.

We will have definitive proof of this in the off-season when the Cavs sign Jon Bones Jones to a one day contract.

 

[Scar4343]

you said a player doing something to LeBron and then coming back to play us. We aren't playing Boston again, so how is the situation similar. I also expanded my response you quoted.

Boston was facing elimination and was going well beyond the rules to try to stay in the series. Why should a team doing that be allowed to seriously damage our chances in the next round. What they did through the game and the series wasn't basketball.

Because both are instances of a player not serving out immediate punishment. When has the NBA ever taken the opponent into consideration for when a suspension will be served? It would be absurd to do so. Why not let the players pick when they serve their suspensions?

The only way the proposed punishment would be fair(which matters as far in disciplinary precedent) is if every player that gets suspended in the playoffs served 1 game and then the remainder to start the season. That's ridiculous enough of a proposition on its own and is not going to happen. However, you are saying they could then make the punishment more arbitrary and take into account the opponent for when the suspension should be observed?

I get it, you're emotional on the issue. I'm pissed at what happened yesterday too but you don't make disciplinary decisions arbitrarily based on emotion. You don't just throw precedent out the window in favor of what you think is "fair" at the moment. If yesterday hadn't happened and Joakim Noah chokeslammed someone tonight, I highly doubt you'd be advocating for this sort of punishment on his behalf.

You want to know if you're being fair? Honestly answer the above hypothetical.

Anyways, can we move onto discussing more lovely hypotheticals like, "Do you think if Kelly Olynyk grew his hair out far enough that he'd be able to fly?"

Edit to add: I'm sure I'll be accused of making excuses for JR and arguing in his favor by some. Then I'll be accused of arguing against JR as well. I'm just arguing for fair, consistent, predictable punishment which is what we should all want. Not emotional knee-jerk reactions and special exemptions.

 

[KI4MVP]

JR said

“He was cutting into the lane after the shot had been shot, I tried to box him out,” Smith said. “As I’m boxing him out, I just kept feeling is forearm on my head. Tried to keep backing up, but he kept pushing. Unfortunately, I tried to swing my arm loose thinking it was the best way to get my arm up in position to rebound and we made contact"

aside from the forearm being in his upper back, this is exactly what happened. Here's the sequence (pay attention to the shooter and the ball to see how close all of these images are in time). Only a small fraction of a second separate the last two pictures, from when JR started moving his arm and when he made contact. Crowder steps back as that was happening (look at where his feet are)

 

[KI4MVP]

When has the NBA ever taken the opponent into consideration for when a suspension will be served?

They have taken the fact that it's the playoffs into account before.

 

[MikeOC33]

We will have definitive proof of this in the off-season when the Cavs sign Jon Bones Jones to a one day contract.

I want someone with a little more beef... and a knucklehead... Matt Mitrione for a one day contract.

 

[kidduck]

Windhorst on NBA radio says he thinks JR gets 1 game, maybe 2.

 

[Cratylus]

Actually if you look at the second to the last photo Crowder's left hand is clearly pushing against the back of JR's head.

You also don't see what happened about a second before the series of photos when Crowder leveled a forearm shiver to JR's side and upper back that essentially lifted him off the floor... obviously, no call by the crack team of officials (i.e. bystanders in grey shirts).

 

[godfather]

Actually if you look at the second to the last photo Crowder's left hand is clearly pushing against the back of JR's head.

You also don't see what happened about a second before the series of photos when Crowder leveled a forearm shiver to JR's side and upper back that essentially lifted him off the floor... obviously, no call by the crack team of officials (i.e. bystanders in grey shirts).

That was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. It was embarrassing how bad it was. Every official from that game should be fired.

I am still scratching my head over one of the last plays of the game. When a Celtic player tries to bear hug LeBron while he inbounds the ball, and throws it to Thomas. Thomas shoots, with clearly NO ONE in sight of him, and gets a foul called.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories, either the officials were literally that stupid, or you wonder if someone had money on the spread.

That's was the most bizarre sequence I've ever seen.

 

[Frank Stallone]

Holy overreaction, Marc Stein.

Stein: Fact in the boldest print you can find on the Internet. And I'm with Charles Barkley. Given Smith's history as a frequent source of such infractions, five games should be the minimum. Wouldn't have a problem with more either. That was a flat-out sucker punch and not an ounce less egregious because it was backhanded. With or without the sad knee injury Jae Crowder suffered in the aftermath, that was inexcusable.

 

[getBUCKED]

It was probably the hardest I've seen somebody get hit in the NBA in a long, long time. He deserves a suspension as it was inexcusable and way over the line.