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Kendrick Perkins - Canton's Enforcer

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Biw said:
I don't think that's Leon Powe. Looks nothing like him. Powe did play with James and Perkins in 2001 and 2002 though. Oakland Soldiers.
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I think that is a pre-final growth spurt Lamarcus Aldridge.
 
Just glad that the Cavs managed to score a big man in that open slot. Hopefully no more Haywood on the floor unless necessary.
 
You never know what player or players will flourish in certain situations. For our situation, I think he's perfect. Perk is one of those guys....you just never know, love having him onboard. If all he gives is 6 hard fouls, I'm all for it. And I am confident he will be able to provide much, much more than that.
 
It also never hurts to have guys with championship experience in the locker room, especially when they're guys that teammates have historically loved.
 
Jack Brickman said:
No team that has the cap space to absorb his contract would want him anyway, so he really has no reason to worry. The only teams interested in Perkins are the teams without cap space.
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I mean, Philly could screw us over and pick him off waivers lol.
 
Scar4343 said:
Settle down chief... and talk to NBA.com, not me.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?CF=GP*GE*30|MIN*GE*19|GP*E*|BLK*GE*.5&sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&Season=2013-14
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?CF=GP*GE*30|MIN*GE*19|GP*E*|BLK*GE*.5&sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1

I actually took screen shots but couldn't post them without uploading images elsewhere... You'll see Perk at #2 in 2013-14 and then behind 4 other big men in 2014-15. I used 30 GP or more, 19mpg or more and .5 blocks per game or more to eliminate guys who have played like 2 games and to try to eliminate most non-bigs. Klay Thompson and KJ McDaniels were still up there on the 14-15 list.

Edit to add: As for total defensive impact, his DRPM has been very good as per my earlier post,
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You're using a basic NBA.com stat to prove your point. The stats and link I posted are adjusted for who the individual player is playing with and then some. Look at the link you posted, Serge Ibaka is at the top. You think Perkins might benefit from playing next to the best shot blocker and help defender in the league? If basic NBA.com stats were sufficient enough the NBA wouldn't hire teams of MIT math wiz's to work on analytics..... sigh.

It never ceases to amaze me how conveniently people use stats and specifically small sample sizes to bolster arguments.

Perkins sucks. Everyone will be whining about him in no time. Enforcers are overrated. The spurs have won 5 championships without an enforcer. Give me a good basketball player any day over an enforcer, who can barely dribble and shoot.

I can't wait until a Tristan, Perkins, Delly lineup blows a 20 point lead and everyone comes in here whining.

Ill say it again, hes a fine insurance policy, but he should NOT be playing 15-20 minutes a game and it's not even a discussion.
 
Simon said:
I mean, Philly could screw us over and pick him off waivers lol.
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Perkins was a major contributor to five straight playoff runs from 2008-2012, and even as a declining center played a rotation role in long playoff runs the past two years. He will likely play a lesser role as a 4th big during the playoffs while still being a vocal leader for guys who haven't been successful in the playoffs.

For all LeBron's success, is he a guy who is a steady cool headed rock in pressure? I think the results are mixed. Perkins is tough-minded and has experience LEADING young players in pressure situations.

And again, the Cavaliers gave up NOTHING for this. OKC gave up Jeff Green in his prime for Perkins' leadership.
 
WorldBoFree said:
You're using a basic NBA.com stat to prove your point. The stats and link I posted are adjusted for who the individual player is playing with and then some. Look at the link you posted, Serge Ibaka is at the top. You think Perkins might benefit from playing next to the best shot blocker and help defender in the league? If basic NBA.com stats were sufficient enough the NBA wouldn't hire teams of MIT math wiz's to work on analytics..... sigh.

It never ceases to amaze me how conveniently people use stats and specifically small sample sizes to bolster arguments.

Perkins sucks. Everyone will be whining about him in no time. Enforcers are overrated. The spurs have won 5 championships without an enforcer. Give me a good basketball player any day over an enforcer, who can barely dribble and shoot.

I can't wait until a Tristan, Perkins, Delly lineup blows a 20 point lead and everyone comes in here whining.

Ill say it again, hes a fine insurance policy, but he should NOT be playing 15-20 minutes a game and it's not even a discussion.
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Dude, not one person in here is saying he is going to be getting 20 minutes a game and that he's going to make a huge impact in games. You said it yourself he is an insurance policy but he is more than capable coming in and playing solid defense and protect the rim when it's needed. He's our FOURTH option as a big. There will be games where he might not even see the floor. And your Spurs argument is crap considering Duncan has been all defensive first team 8 times and all defensive second team 6 times.

Please give me a name of the better option that was realistically available?
 
Lazor said:
Please give me a name of the better option that was realistically available?
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This keeps getting asked, and it's not really a question that can be answered with certainty. Only Griffin knows who was "available."

We can go off of the guys that we know are available, like Blatche or Thomas Robinson.

Personally, I'd have preferred Robinson to Perkins.

Why? Because I think Robinson has upside. He could be a total bust, but even then he's still going to give us those 6 fouls that Perkins' dead body would.

Is he going to give us the same leadership, camaraderie, or toughness as Perkins? Not likely, but the toughness part is debatable.

But I do think Robinson has more in the tank than what he's demonstrated so far in the NBA. And I'd be willing to gamble on Robinson before I'd settle for Perkins.

So personally, as I said previously, it's not a great pickup in my estimation; but it's also not a make or break moment for the Cavaliers.

And I don't want to beat a dead horse, nor do I want to bring people's hopes down. I certainly don't think the moves hurts the Cavs; I just don't think it's what I would have done if I were in Griffin's shoes, and for various reasons.

Concisely, I'm not thrilled with how Griffin manages assets. But that's an ongoing grievance that was bound to resurface at the trade deadline with the Cavaliers finding themselves with no assets.
 
gourimoko said:
This keeps getting asked, and it's not really a question that can be answered with certainty. Only Griffin knows who was "available."

We can go off of the guys that we know are available, like Blatche or Thomas Robinson.

Personally, I'd have preferred Robinson to Perkins.

Why? Because I think Robinson has upside. He could be a total bust, but even then he's still going to give us those 6 fouls that Perkins' dead body would.

Is he going to give us the same leadership, camaraderie, or toughness as Perkins? Not likely, but the toughness part is debatable.

But I do think Robinson has more in the tank than what he's demonstrated so far in the NBA. And I'd be willing to gamble on Robinson before I'd settle for Perkins.

So personally, as I said previously, it's not a great pickup in my estimation; but it's also not a make or break moment for the Cavaliers.

And I don't want to beat a dead horse, nor do I want to bring people's hopes down. I certainly don't think the moves hurts the Cavs; I just don't think it's what I would have done if I were in Griffin's shoes, and for various reasons.

Concisely, I'm not thrilled with how Griffin manages assets. But that's an ongoing grievance that was bound to resurface at the trade deadline with the Cavaliers finding themselves with no assets.
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Personally, I wouldn't want Thomas Robinson. But if I did, it would be at the beginning of the year type of signing, not a buyout. When we're talking late season buyouts, I want a vet that's been there done that, especially when we're chasing a championship. I'm not looking for reclamation projects at the end of the season.
 
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