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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
A team like the Blazers has LA. Love doesnt even deserve to wash that guys feet. Idc what stats Love put up in Minni. He is no where near the player LA is.
Love in Minni was incredible, I don't even know what Love I'm seeing on the Cavs teams. Love was a very dangerous Pick n Pop player and we rarely see it if at all.
 
But I just can't abide the sheer volume of plays where the ball spends 60% of the time in the hands of AJ price, Shawn Marion, Delly or others when Love is relegated to the corner behind two defenders.

If this is how Blatt's system is supposed to be run (not sure if that is the case), then Blatt is going to need to tweak his system to help Love.

Blatt and the team need to get Love more involved, and Love needs to hit some shots.
 
We're seeing another David Lee magically appear right before our eyes.

20+, 10+ a guy on a team with very little offensive impact, to being dealt to a team with more offensive weapons than they can handle - resulting into a total deflation of efficiency.

It saddens me that we have a guy who's fully capable of being a total dominance if he truly wanted to. But I think this guy is shying back due to the lack of coaching and directing by the coaching staff. The utilizing isn't here. It's leaving this guy to show his true weakness like never before, and that's ovviously his defensive and motor skills.
 
If this is how Blatt's system is supposed to be run (not sure if that is the case), then Blatt is going to need to tweak his system to help Love.

Blatt and the team need to get Love more involved, and Love needs to hit some shots.
That's pretty much the thing. And like I said, I like this coaching staff, and everything I researched and learned about Blatt says that Love should thrive in his system. But are they actually running a system?

Kevin Love needs, and deserves, to be put in a position to succeed, and the team has failed him at that as of yet. He's not a wing player, he doesn't just get to decide to go ISO whenever he wants. He's elite enough to throw a team on his back, but as a post player he needs the ball delivered to him in volume to just freestyle us a win when nothing's working, and that is just not gonna happen when you have two of the best Hail Mary options in the league on our wings.

So long story short, the team needs to continue to work Love into the system. Whatever they are doing in first quarters needs to be at least somewhat carried throughout quarters two through four. And right now it is not.
 
It's crazy how much better Love has been at home this year.

Location GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% OREB DREB REB AST TOV STL BLK PF PTS+/-

Home 17 35.3 47.7 37.7 85.3 2.1 7.8 9.9 2.8 1.9 0.7 0.5 2.3 17.7 4.4
Road 14 36.4 36.6 30.4 82.1 1.6 8.8 10.4 1.8 1.7 0.9 0.4 2.3 15.6 2.1
 
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He is no where near the player LA is.

Aldridge is not at Love's level as a player.

Love > Bosh > Aldridge

At their best.

And not only is Love better than Aldridge, he's also about 3 years younger.

A huge weakness for Aldridge is that he doesn't really shoot 3s.

The following is how silly the underrating of Love has gotten. This is verbatim from another site.

Love is not a max player, he barely deserves to be in the NBA.

:doh:
 
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We're seeing another David Lee magically appear right before our eyes.

20+, 10+ a guy on a team with very little offensive impact, to being dealt to a team with more offensive weapons than they can handle - resulting into a total deflation of efficiency.


It saddens me that we have a guy who's fully capable of being a total dominance if he truly wanted to. But I think this guy is shying back due to the lack of coaching and directing by the coaching staff. The utilizing isn't here. It's leaving this guy to show his true weakness like never before, and that's ovviously his defensive and motor skills.

You pretty much nailed it with those 2 paragraphs. /end of thread.

Problem is we are dishing out 20 million for that type of player
 
Holy fuck the Butthurt is strong right now.

"Trade Love now! Season is over! He is worse than Danny Ferry! The entire season is his fault!1!!1 TRADE HIM! GAME OVER MAN! WAAAHHHHH!1!1!!"

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a few observations:
1. love likes to run to his spots and make jumpshots. he's a rhythm shooter. running to his spot to shoot gives him rhythm unlike how he's been used here where he's a spot up shooter only

2. love is great in the high post as a facilitator and scorer. a great player to have in princeton offense where there are many back door plays and back cuts.

3. he loves the left box to post up and make a turn to his patented right hook or make a left turn fadeaway. he looks physically imposing on these clips and can create space when he bumps his man unlike what we are seeing as a cavs where he loses the ball alot on his post ups.

4. love is not just a spacer in minnesota, he's the focal point on offense.. he sets screens but also he's been given multiple screens to give him open looks..

5. love strives when he is paired with an imposing center.. he gets to freelance on the offensive boards, he gets free when the center screens for him off ball, and he can cheat on defense.

6. the fake hand-offs then a step back three/jumper is deadly.. cant believe we're not seeing that with LBJ and kyrie running towards love..

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the cavs can run an entire offensive system with love on the left high post and lbj at the right high post and kyrie having the ball(horns).. maximize love's/lbj's high post offense/passing and kyrie's pick n roll/breakdown the defense offensive capabilities.. no more cutesy weave action.. it was great at first but the nba has adjusted to it..

defensively the cavs is still a lost cause.. still needs a center that can hide love and kyrie's defeciencies.. no more high hedging on pick and rolls.. it really puts pressure on the cavs lack of weakside help and shot blocking..
 
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Hypothetically, if Lebron and Kyrie joined the Wolves instead, would Love still be this different of a player from last year?
 
My conclusion on the issues with Love so far this season lead me to believe he is playing hurt. Couple reasons I say this:

1) The spring in his step and ability to launch his jumpshot is nowhere near where it was after comparing game clips from last year. His jump shot seems to be much flatter and he has no loft in his right hook after a post up.

2) His overall rebounding is down by 20% vs. his career averages, and his offensive rebounds are down by nearly 1/2. He is not being aggressive on the o-boards. With few other rebounding options on the Cavs, those numbers should be up.

3) His post up game is not where it was last year, with him getting the ball stripped away several times. It's as if he can't completely control the ball due to weakness.

4) He seems to be playing very well the first quarter and then degrades as the game progresses.

5) There have been reports of back spasm problems at least twice this year along with several reports of rib, flu, neck, and thumb injuries throughout the first 31 games.
 
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Hypothetically, if Lebron and Kyrie joined the Wolves instead, would Love still be this different of a player from last year?

Yes, yes he would.

Love had 28% usage rate in Minnesota last season to 21% so far with the Cavs. This is what happens when a big comes to a team with 2-3 ball dominate players.

The only player who hasn't seen a dramatic dip in their usage rate so far is LBJ 31% to 30%. Kyrie has gone from 28% to 23% and Dion has gone from 26% to just over 23% due to his 6th man role.

Loves main problem right now is not converting his open looks.

There was tweet a few days ago that had a stat indicating that Love has gotten 181 open looks in a total of 385 shots (including 3's) that's close to half his shots being open looks at the basket.

The tweet goes on to state that Love is only hitting 40% of those open looks. That is the main problem with Love at the moment, if he was hitting his open looks at his historical rates of 45% for 2's and 37% for 3's there wouldn't be conversations about getting him more looks in the post. I do agree you can't go wrong getting him looks down there but that isn't what's causing the problem.

Once he starts hitting those open looks he will be one of the most efficient players in the league if his shots per game stay the same. He makes 5.5 shots per game on 12.7 shots (compared to almost 18.5 shots a game in Minny) . Once he starts hitting open shots at around his career average he will be making roughly 6.5-8 shots per while taking less than 14 shots game.

I don't think I've seen another big average 17pts, 10rbs, 2.5ast, with per of 18 catch so much shit or have fans blame the system for the players lack of production (on defense it's deserved but not on offense) .

When was the last time the Cavs had a big that came close to those numbers? Let alone a guy that was getting close to 20 a night in 13 shots per game.
 
Aldridge is not at Love's level as a player.

Love > Bosh > Aldridge

At their best.

And not only is Love better than Aldridge, he's also about 3 years younger.

A huge weakness for Aldridge is that he doesn't really shoot 3s.

The following is how silly the underrating of Love has gotten. This is verbatim from another site.



:doh:

Any time KLove gets the ball inside, he looks like he's trying to escape from a too tight sleeping bag.


And dont think you realize just how good of a player Aldridge actually is. He's the best PF in the NBA. Check back w me the next time LA tries taking his shit inside and gets it sent to Loudville 3-5x/night. Also, we start haveing a convo when Love isn't actually playing like dog shit (yes, I know they're using him like I use a vibrator on Jig - soft, gentile, and like a pussy).
 
I'd like to see Kyrie and Love develop a two man game with pick and rolls and pick and pops with Lebron playing off the ball more.
 
Any time KLove gets the ball inside, he looks like he's trying to escape from a too tight sleeping bag.


And dont think you realize just how good of a player Aldridge actually is. He's the best PF in the NBA. Check back w me the next time LA tries taking his shit inside and gets it sent to Loudville 3-5x/night. Also, we start haveing a convo when Love isn't actually playing like dog shit (yes, I know they're using him like I use a vibrator on Jig - soft, gentile, and like a pussy).


I know how good Aldridge is. I also know Aldridge was being called a disappointment until the team got good a few years ago. Let's look at Best Aldridge versus Best Love. Let's break it down and take it out of the "I just think he's better" realm.

Here are the best numbers from their careers in every category below. Each number is the best/highest season of their careers, not including this year.

Best Aldridge stats
23/11/3
20.6 FGA per game
51%/31%/82%
56% True Shooting
115/104 Offensive Rating/Defensive Rating
22.7 PER
29.8% Usage
.169 win shares per 48 minutes
+0.8 Defensive Box Plus Minus
+2.1 Box Plus Minus
+3.3 Value Over Replacement Player

Best Love stats
26/15/4
19.3 FGA per game
47%/42%/85%
59% True Shooting
123/104 Offensive Rating/Defensive Rating
26.9 PER
28.9% Usage
.245 win shares per 48 minutes
+0.8 Defensive Box Plus Minus
+7.9 Box Plus Minus
+7.0 Value Over Replacement Player

So, even though Aldridge had one season with about a 1.0% Usage rate higher than any Love has had, and even though Aldridge has had a year where he took 1.3 more field goal attempts beyond any FGA per game season Love has had, Aldridge still can't come close to Love's top level. It's really no contest. And as I said before, even Bosh has had better years than Aldridge has.

Let me know if and when Aldridge breaks a 23.0 PER or a .175 win shares per 48 minutes number. Meanwhile, Love has had 3 such seasons in each category even though he's played two fewer career seasons than Aldridge has.

Aldridge is about 6 months younger than LeBron. Love is about 3.5 years younger than LeBron.

I respect Aldridge, but he is not in Love's league as a player. Doesn't rebound as well, can't shoot the three, isn't as efficient. Aldridge is a good player, but Love is clearly better.
 
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