Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[CavsFTW]

Sexton improved as the year went on, and he’s a tireless worker, so I believe his game will continue to improve. He will probably never be a high assists guy, but that’s ok, as long as he’s adequate in that area.

You’re looking at an incredibly small sample size of 4 G-league games for Simons. I don’t even think he started those games. Heck, Gary Trent averaged 33 PPG in 5-6 games for the same G-league squad. My advice is take G-league stats with a huge grain of salt.

What impressed me is the 19-year-old Simons scoring 37 points, including 7/11 on 3’s, grabbing 6 boards, and dishing out 9 assists in a season-ending win against NBA players with Sacramento:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/highschool/os-sp-hs-anfernee-simons-0412-story.html?outputType=amp

It was a come from behind win, as the Blazers were down by 28, and the win secured the 3rd playoff seed for the Blazers.

Scoring 37 while dishing out 9 assists for a 19 year old is super impressive in my book! I’d love to be able to acquire Simons and make him Sexton’s running mate.

Excellent game indeed. I'm not saying Simons can't develop into a passer; I'm saying if a team wants to trade their young guard for Kevin Love, trade us a player who already has a track record of running the point effectively. That's what the Cavs need as a running mate for Sexton. As I said, fitting a square peg into a round hole just doesn't add up with me.

Obviously, I'm not a scout. Maybe you are? But I sure as hell am not. I can't look at a player and foresee stats showing up from nowhere like a scout can, so I can only go by what I can see. With Simons, I see a player who has no track record as a passer. So I ask myself, would I trade an All Star -- our best asset -- for the chance to train a SG how to pass? You see, that's the part I really get hung up on -- to train him how to pass. For Kevin Love?

Ugh.

 

[sailfish]

Excellent game indeed. I'm not saying Simons can't develop into a passer; I'm saying if a team wants to trade their young guard for Kevin Love, trade us a player who already has a track record of running the point effectively. That's what the Cavs need as a running mate for Sexton. As I said, fitting a square peg into a round hole just doesn't add up with me.

Obviously, I'm not a scout. Maybe you are? But I sure as hell am not. I can't look at a player and foresee stats showing up from nowhere like a scout can, so I can only go by what I can see. With Simons, I see a player who has no track record as a passer. So I ask myself, would I trade an All Star -- our best asset -- for the chance to train a SG how to pass? You see, that's the part I really get hung up on -- to train him how to pass. For Kevin Love?

Ugh.

While Love is an asset, he’s a soon to be 31 year old asset, who doesn’t really fit with the rebuild the Cavs are undertaking. At $30 million, over the next 4 seasons, his contract, coupled with persistent injuries issues, won’t make him easy to move.

I suspect what Cavs fans think the team should be able to get in a trade for Love and what other teams are actually willing to pay is quite different. The market for Love would be limited to contending teams that can & are willing to take on his big contract as well as gamble that he can stay healthy. Getting two young players, like Simons & Collins, who could be useful in the rebuild would be pretty darn good, in my book.

 

[RustShack]

Trade Love to LeBron.

 

[sailfish]

Trade Love to LeBron.

I’d have no problem sending Love to the Lakers for a package, including:

1) #4 pick
2) Ingram, Kuzma, or Josh Hart
3) Moritz Wagner- Beilein would be reunited with the big guy he helped develop at Michigan.

 

[rastamon87]

I’d have no problem sending Love to the Lakers for a package, including:

1) #4 pick
2) Ingram, Kuzma, or Josh Hart
3) Moritz Wagner- Beilein would be reunited with the big guy he helped develop at Michigan.

I think Pelinka would be hanging the phone already after #1... KLove does not have high value anymore specially with that contract

 

[WorldFreeB]

I think Pelinka would be hanging the phone already after #1... KLove does not have high value anymore specially with that contract

The only way I see the cavs cashing in with the Lakers is if the Lakers strike out in free agency,,,Lebron would pressure the FO to do something
and his familiarity with Love and the fact that they enjoyed playing together could force a trade out there where the Lakers might give up a good package for him.
Lets face it Lebron isn't playing with that scrap roster again next year..one way or the other.

 

[rastamon87]

The only way I see the cavs cashing in with the Lakers is if the Lakers strike out in free agency,,,Lebron would pressure the FO to do something
and his familiarity with Love and the fact that they enjoyed playing together could force a trade out there where the Lakers might give up a good package for him.
Lets face it Lebron isn't playing with that scrap roster again next year..one way or the other.

LBJ is gonna pressure, but it looks like the Lakers FO and Jeannie Buss wants to show they are in charge and would not go overboard just to appease LeBron

 

[CavsFTW]

While Love is an asset, he’s a soon to be 31 year old asset, who doesn’t really fit with the rebuild the Cavs are undertaking. At $30 million, over the next 4 seasons, his contract, coupled with persistent injuries issues, won’t make him easy to move.

I suspect what Cavs fans think the team should be able to get in a trade for Love and what other teams are actually willing to pay is quite different. The market for Love would be limited to contending teams that can & are willing to take on his big contract as well as gamble that he can stay healthy. Getting two young players, like Simons & Collins, who could be useful in the rebuild would be pretty darn good, in my book.

Simons is not a pass-first PG, nor has he shown the passing skills of the shoot-first PG that you compared him to (Lillard). At this stage he's nothing more than a pass-sometimes SG, which is absolutely not the guard Sexton needs as a running mate.

You suggest Love doesn't have great trade value, but if he's good enough to facilitate a trade like the hypothetical one you made with Portland, then he's good enough for a similar package built around a real PG, a position the Cavs desperately need to address.

 

[Cavatt]

Kevin Love is hanging around until we get something good or he asks to be traded

I personally don't think we get anything worthwhile and so we should have him retire here and show people that Cleveland is place that is nice to play.

 

[Nphan]

Kevin Love will turn 31 before the start of the season and doesn’t seem long for a rebuild. One trade I wouldn’t kind seeing, which makes sense for both teams is:

Love to Portland for Evan Turner, Zach Collins, & Anfernee Simons

Love grew up in Oregon, so it would be a homecoming of sorts. He could really help the Blazers compete and look to take the next step in the brutal Western Conference.

Evan Turner is basically cap filler and the reason the Cavs do the trade is Collins & Simons. Both young players have shown flashes of potential. Simons is stuck behind Lillard & McConnell, but he scored 37 in the season finale, when given a chance to start. He could make a great running mate with Collin Sexton. Collins is competing with Nurkic, Leonard, & Kanter for PT in Portland, but he could easily start in Cleveland.

Yeah this would be ideal. Then draft Culver at #5

Sexton, Simon, and Culver is a good young core for Belien to mold.

 

[sailfish]

Yeah this would be ideal. Then draft Culver at #5

Sexton, Simon, and Culver is a good young core for Belien to mold.

I agree. The Cavs & Blazers could even expand the deal to include JR Smith & Mo Harklesss, if the Blazers pushed for a sweetener. Acquiring Smith’s contract would enable them to clear some cap room, so they could possibly re-sign Curry, Hood, Aminu, and/or Kanter.

I love the idea of a backcourt of Sexton & Simons. With the 5th pick the Cavs would likely then take either Culver or Reddish. They could even trade down two spots with the Bulls, if they wanted to leapfrog the Suns for Coby White.

 

[Cavatt]

We are punting on the development of the young guys if we get rid of Love. Get rid of him for some worse assets just so we can be the Sun's.

Seriously we saw how tops odds worked out this year. May as well keep love and go for it. Get the #2 like the grizz or 4 like the lakers

 

[WorldFreeB]

We are punting on the development of the young guys if we get rid of Love. Get rid of him for some worse assets just so we can be the Sun's.

Seriously we saw how tops odds worked out this year. May as well keep love and go for it. Get the #2 like the grizz or 4 like the lakers

I would only trade him if its a no brainer deal for the cavs. You have to wonder when the cavs would be able to attract a veteran of
Love's stature in future free agency,,,might be a few years at least.

 

[sailfish]

We are punting on the development of the young guys if we get rid of Love. Get rid of him for some worse assets just so we can be the Sun's.

Seriously we saw how tops odds worked out this year. May as well keep love and go for it. Get the #2 like the grizz or 4 like the lakers

I’m not sure I follow?? What’s Love got to do with the development of the young guys? Doesn’t that responsibility fall on the head coach, assistant coaches, and the players themselves??

With the Hawks owning the rights to our 2020 first round pick (top 10 protected), yet again, a pick that I assume the Cavaliers would rather keep, I imagine the 2019-2020 season would be very similar to this past season. That said, veterans would be held out again, rather than rushing them back from injury, etc. So, what’s the point of having a 31 year old Kevin Love on the team if we are trying to develop young guys rather than trying to win? Doesn’t really seem fair to waste Love’s last few, best seasons while we focus on developing the young guys and the focus isn’t really on winning.

In your scenario, the Cavaliers ‘go for it’ and, best case scenario, end up with the 12th-14th pick, which we would surrender to the Hawks. The other scenario is we focus on development and end up with a top 10 pick, which we get to keep. Maybe you think ‘going for it’ is worth surrendering a 2020 first round pick, but I see that pick as being critical to our future development. I guess it’s the difference between short-term & long-term thinking.

 

[Cavatt]

I’m not sure I follow?? What’s Love got to do with the development of the young guys? Doesn’t that responsibility fall on the head coach, assistant coaches, and the players themselves??

With the Hawks owning the rights to our 2020 first round pick (top 10 protected), yet again, a pick that I assume the Cavaliers would rather keep, I imagine the 2019-2020 season would be very similar to this past season. That said, veterans would be held out again, rather than rushing them back from injury, etc. So, what’s the point of having a 31 year old Kevin Love on the team if we are trying to develop young guys rather than trying to win? Doesn’t really seem fair to waste Love’s last few, best seasons while we focus on developing the young guys and the focus isn’t really on winning.

In your scenario, the Cavaliers ‘go for it’ and, best case scenario, end up with the 12th-14th pick, which we would surrender to the Hawks. The other scenario is we focus on development and end up with a top 10 pick, which we get to keep. Maybe you think ‘going for it’ is worth surrendering a 2020 first round pick, but I see that pick as being critical to our future development. I guess it’s the difference between short-term & long-term thinking.

Cedi and Collin clearly were both helped by Love's presence. I believe the same will hold true for this years pick.

Having a player better than your punk 19 year olds is a good idea. They have to be humble and they have a better player on the team that they can see their professionalism and hard work. I just think it is more valuable than what we can get for him.

Yes it is on the coach, but ask Kawhi if Duncan had any effect on him, or if the Admiral had any effect on Duncan. I think it is attitude as much as anything that can help these kids.

Kevin can be a cultural piece and help the team develop the right way with the right habits. I'd like him to retire a Cav. It will shine a nice light on the team as well.