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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
The Oi said:
All that this tells me is that you never watched Wiggins play.
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Wiggins is gonna be super good. After that rookie of the year deserving season, there's a much better chance that he's gonna be a Kyrie-level than Tyreke-level.

But to guarantee he's gonna be one of the 5 best players in the league in 5 years is the homerest of all homerness. Even if you're assuming Lebron drops out of that, you honestly think he's gonna surpass guys like Steph, Durant, Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Harden, Blake, even Kyrie or Marc Gasol or John Wall or Kevin Love if he returns to near his form (which was top 5 last year)?

Just do not see it. He will be an all star. He'll likely be a franchise player.

But Dr. Canada's statements went hilariously beyond that. And the Waiters argument isn't much better off. The reasonable middle ground is pretty easy to spot.

And to your other point, no matter what, trading for Love was still the right move 99 times out of 100.
 
theSTEREO. said:
Wiggins is gonna be super good. After that rookie of the year deserving season, there's a much better chance that he's gonna be a Kyrie-level than Tyreke-level.

But to guarantee he's gonna be one of the 5 best players in the league in 5 years is the homerest of all homerness. Even if you're assuming Lebron drops out of that, you honestly think he's gonna surpass guys like Steph, Durant, Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Harden, Blake, even Kyrie or Marc Gasol or John Wall or Kevin Love if he returns to near his form (which was top 5 last year)?

Just do not see it. He will be an all star. He'll likely be a franchise player.

But Dr. Canada's statements went hilariously beyond that. And the Waiters argument isn't much better off. The reasonable middle ground is pretty easy to spot.

And to your other point, no matter what, trading for Love was still the right move 99 times out of 100.
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I agree also the Waiters thing I mentioned was simply a stat reference. Wiggins will be a star just don't see more then that at this time. I'm a facts guy and the facts show Waiters scored more points and ast per min his rookie season then Wiggins. Fact is if a man jumps over someone and dunks the ball all the way to his arm pit its still just 2 points. No style points. Fact Wiggins played nearly every game and averaged over 36 mins and had the worst team in the NBA. Fact is last year with Love they were in the playoff hunt till the last week of the season in the west and I know people are going to say Rubio but I don't think his health would have made all that much difference.
 
Not often taken into account by Love super-fans: the situation has changed since the trade was made.

The team has since acquired three players whose contributions would be considered invaluable to the Cavs winning a championship: Mozgov, Shumpert, and Smith.

The contribution two of the three bring to the table is DEFENSE, both perimeter and at the rim. And the other is a better percentage and higher impact three point shooter than Love (and not an bad defender himself). And guess what (repeat after me): DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. This is the element that has our Cleveland Cavaliers on the brink of an NBA finals appearance.

This doesn't even count Tristan Thompson, who has proven to be a plus defender and elite offensive rebounder, and brings the extra possessions which are key to playoff victories. Maxing out Love while letting any of these other players go (with the POSSIBLE exception of Smith because of age) will simply not make salary cap sense, because SHUMPERT, MOZGOV and THOMPSON ARE ALL BIG DOLLAR MARKET COMMODITIES, and all will be due these dollars beginning in 2016-17.

All these players should be re-signed by Cleveland and THEY WILL NOT COME CHEAP. These are salary obligations that were not in play when the season started.

Some will have to come grips with the fact that a demand by Kevin Love for a long-term max contract this offseason may well facilitate his ticket out of town, especially if the Cavs prove they can win the championship without him. This is why the OPT-IN or ONE-YEAR extension is the best strategy for all concerned at this time.

If its me, I'm looking to trade to sign-and-trade Love this offseason for the Lakers #2 pick and filler, but that's irrelevant now. The key point is that if you are truly a Cavs fan, and not just a Love fan, IMO you should not be willy-nilly clamoring for a multi-year max for Kevin Love without looking at the other salary requirements the team has to consider along with the opportunity costs of adding a third max contract, ESPECIALLY if the team wins a championship without him.
 
CommD said:
Not often taken into account by Love super-fans: the situation has changed since the trade was made.

The team has since acquired three players whose contributions would be considered invaluable to the Cavs winning a championship: Mozgov, Shumpert, and Smith.

The contribution two of the three bring to the table is DEFENSE, both perimeter and at the rim. And the other is a better percentage and higher impact three point shooter than Love (and not an bad defender himself). And guess what (repeat after me): DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. This is the element that has our Cleveland Cavaliers on the brink of an NBA finals appearance.

This doesn't even count Tristan Thompson, who has proven to be a plus defender and elite offensive rebounder, and brings the extra possessions which are key to playoff victories. Maxing out Love while letting any of these other players go (with the POSSIBLE exception of Smith because of age) will simply not make salary cap sense, because SHUMPERT, MOZGOV and THOMPSON ARE ALL BIG DOLLAR MARKET COMMODITIES, and all will be due these dollars beginning in 2016-17.

All these players should be re-signed by Cleveland and THEY WILL NOT COME CHEAP. These are salary obligations that were not in play when the season started.

Some will have to come grips with the fact that a demand by Kevin Love for a long-term max contract this offseason may well facilitate his ticket out of town, especially if the Cavs prove they can win the championship without him. This is why the OPT-IN or ONE-YEAR extension is the best strategy for all concerned at this time.

If its me, I'm looking to trade to sign-and-trade Love this offseason for the Lakers #2 pick and filler, but that's irrelevant now. The key point is that if you are truly a Cavs fan, and not just a Love fan, IMO you should not be willy-nilly clamoring for a multi-year max for Kevin Love without looking at the other salary requirements the team has to consider along with the opportunity costs of adding a third max contract, ESPECIALLY if the team wins a championship without him.
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If Gilbert is willing to spend, then this whole rant is really a moot point. Yes we have really morphed into a strong defensive team, but if you don't think we need Love long-term, then you are delusional. That first playoff series when we used Love inside and out, we got a glimpse of just how amazing this team can be. Plus, Lebron is aging, he carries the team now, but he will not be able to years down the road. Having a PF in his prime like Love and Kyrie entering into his prime at that point allow the load to shift.

I agree Shump, Smith, and Thompson are invaluable to this team, but none of them can carry a load like a combo of Kyrie and Love.
 
CommD said:
Not often taken into account by Love super-fans: the situation has changed since the trade was made.
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You mean how half of the league's population is out with injury?
 
NOTE: I forgot MATTHEW DELLAVEDOVA as a player to be resigned in my "rant".
 
I talked to an assistant trainer for the Spurs. He said Kevin Love's injury was a freak thing. Perfect angle for the arm to come out. Happens all the time with no injury. I said Kelly put his weight on it, and this and that, and he was very dismissive that it wasn't dirty and was just a bad piece of luck.

You don't have to take it as gospel, but there it is.
 
CommD said:
Not often taken into account by Love super-fans: the situation has changed since the trade was made.

The team has since acquired three players whose contributions would be considered invaluable to the Cavs winning a championship: Mozgov, Shumpert, and Smith.

The contribution two of the three bring to the table is DEFENSE, both perimeter and at the rim. And the other is a better percentage and higher impact three point shooter than Love (and not an bad defender himself). And guess what (repeat after me): DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. This is the element that has our Cleveland Cavaliers on the brink of an NBA finals appearance.

This doesn't even count Tristan Thompson, who has proven to be a plus defender and elite offensive rebounder, and brings the extra possessions which are key to playoff victories. Maxing out Love while letting any of these other players go (with the POSSIBLE exception of Smith because of age) will simply not make salary cap sense, because SHUMPERT, MOZGOV and THOMPSON ARE ALL BIG DOLLAR MARKET COMMODITIES, and all will be due these dollars beginning in 2016-17.

All these players should be re-signed by Cleveland and THEY WILL NOT COME CHEAP. These are salary obligations that were not in play when the season started.

Some will have to come grips with the fact that a demand by Kevin Love for a long-term max contract this offseason may well facilitate his ticket out of town, especially if the Cavs prove they can win the championship without him. This is why the OPT-IN or ONE-YEAR extension is the best strategy for all concerned at this time.

If its me, I'm looking to trade to sign-and-trade Love this offseason for the Lakers #2 pick and filler, but that's irrelevant now. The key point is that if you are truly a Cavs fan, and not just a Love fan, IMO you should not be willy-nilly clamoring for a multi-year max for Kevin Love without looking at the other salary requirements the team has to consider along with the opportunity costs of adding a third max contract, ESPECIALLY if the team wins a championship without him.
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Why would LA do that? He can just sign there if he really wants to. A core of Randle, Love, Okafur...or Irving, Love, LeBron. Gee let me think.
 
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