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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
There is no way we are just letting Love walk after trading so much for him. He is getting a max offer.
 
Why keep bringing up Wiggins? That trade is utterly irrelevant to any discussion about what should be done with Love moving forward.
 
Why keep bringing up Wiggins? That trade is utterly irrelevant to any discussion about what should be done with Love moving forward.

The relevance is that if Love walks with no compensation, it is a possibility (not certainty) that the Cavs made one of the worst trades in NBA history. No one (Griffin) wants that on their record.

I was making the case that that outcome would be somewhat alleviated by the acquisition of Smith and Shumpert. But you are right, whats done is done and we will all have to live with it.
 
If you REALLY dont want Love, sign him to the max and trade him. I wouldn't agree with the move, and it would be pretty manipulative, but he would command a hefty bounty.
 
I LOVE Tristan and have been a supporter since the early days when everyone hated him....but Love is clearly the better player overall. It doesn't matter, because we're keeping both.
 
The relevance is that if Love walks with no compensation, it is a possibility (not certainty) that the Cavs made one of the worst trades in NBA history. No one (Griffin) wants that on their record.

I was making the case that that outcome would be somewhat alleviated by the acquisition of Smith and Shumpert. But you are right, whats done is done and we will all have to live with it.

And literally everyone on this board already knows that. It's also a totally irrelevant point right now, as we're still a month from free agency and have no reason to keep bringing this topic up because we won't know what happens until July.
 
The Heat did not give out max contracts. The players sacrificed to form the team they desired.

This is false. Only Wade took less money.

Net-net, James and Bosh got a pay increase due to the tax situation in Florida.

Only staying in Cleveland would have resulted in a higher yearly income, whereas going to Chicago or New York would've amounted to a loss.

The Heat model was ultimately defeated by a better structured and more effective team (with ZERO max contracts), leading to the destruction of the team through the loss of LeBron James.

The Heat went to 4 NBA Finals, consecutively, and won 2 of them. That's anything but being defeated.

They were the most dominant team in the league during their run.

I simply do not believe that three max contracts are required to win. I chose three-point shooting, perimeter defense, and defense at the rim, to surround elite scorers and playmakers James and Irving.

I agree with you here, but nowhere does this demonstrate how three max contracts are more of a detriment.

If the owner is willing to spend, and the CBA permits us to go over the cap to re-sign our own players and add talent through the MLE - and considering Cleveland is not a destination city - having three superstars on max contracts is simply a dream come true.

But we will see where this goes as RFA's Shumpert and Thompson hit the market,

Both RFA's; they aren't going anywhere unless we aren't willing to pay or we can trade for something better.

Smith declines his player option,

If he were to do this, it would be to re-sign with the Cavs for more years.

He's happy here; by his own admission, he is happier here than anywhere else he's ever played. Why would he leave?

Delly needs re-signed, and Mozgov's agent demands $15M the following year in his first chance for a real contract. If all are re-signed (or adequately replaced, I am good with the Love max.

Again, the cap goes over $100M in 2 years; I think your cap space fears are unwarranted.

My fear is due to injury of any of the Big 3; that's why I want consolidation of talent rather than all of these player's re-signed. But that's another topic.

I should also note that another factor which makes Love expendable is the successful replacement of skills Wiggins would have brought to the table through the acquisition of Smith and Shumpert. These team components MUST be retained.

I'm not sure what you mean, but I will agree (I think) that it would've been nice to have Wiggins for this title run.

Still hoping for the opt-in….

Dunno why folks keep thinking Love opts in....

Why on Earth would he?

Who gains from him opting in?
 
Dunno why folks keep thinking Love opts in....

Why on Earth would he?

Who gains from him opting in?
Because being a free agent in 2016 rather than 2015 means he will make a hell of a lot more money. He has also said that he was going to opt in all season


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I had no idea Love was there last night. I don't think they even showed him on the telecast for some reason.
 
Because being a free agent in 2016 rather than 2015 means he will make a hell of a lot more money. He has also said that he was going to opt in all season


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I don't recall him specifically saying he'll opt-in just that he'd be back in Cleveland. In fact, he'd be pretty stupid to opt-in. Here's my prediction for what will happen:

1) He declines his player option and everyone freaks out while the media wets themselves with joy and excitement.

2) As soon as free agency opens, he announces that he signed a 2-year max deal with the second-year being a player option(a LeBron deal if you will) with the Cavaliers. Why? Because this means he'll make around $20 million next year(30% of projected 67.1 million cap number) instead of the $16.7 mil he'd get in his player option. Then he can opt-out the next year and get his full max deal.

3) People immediately start spreading stories about him going to LA in 2016 and how he's not happy in Cleveland.

There's a slight chance he goes with a 3 or 4 deal instead of the 2 year to give himself a little security but I think there's an even slighter chance of him taking that player option. We have his Bird rights and can go over the cap to pay him the current max on a shorter term contract that still allows him to take care of the next TV money.

Guys are betting on themselves more and more and premier players are in the driver seat more than ever now. The Cavs are the ONLY team that can sign him to the LeBron 2-year deal and still have his Bird rights in 2016. If he went elsewhere(which I don't think he's even considering), he'd have to sign for longer or that team would have to keep cap space open to re-sign him in 2016 which would severely limit the talent they could put around him.

I'm more worried about an asteroid hitting my house than Love leaving this offseason.
 
So I guess you're just going to toss out the rest of Kevin Love's career? Kevin has a higher career rebounding percentage [20.1 > 16.7], higher defensive rebounding percentage [29.2 > 20.5], and a negligibly lower offensive rebounding percentage [11.3 < 13.2] than TT.

Yes, I wouldn't pay as much attention to Love's rebounding stats on Minnesota. On Minnesota he was the star and leading rebounder, and people deferred to him. TT is competing for boards with KLove, Lebron, and Mozgov (not to mention AV for half the season).

TT was pretty clearly statistically superior to Love as a rebounder this year. The point made by someone above about this that I think is really valid is that Love's role on this team as a perimeter shooter makes it harder for him to get offensive rebounds. If you look at KLove's numbers over the years his offensive rebound numbers have steadily been going down as his 3-point attempts increased. But TT's offensive rebounding numbers this year are still pretty much equal to anything Love has done in even the best year of his career, and better than anything Love has done over the last five years.

Saying that Love was injured may be true, but TT's durability is a legitimate strength he has. If TT is more durable than Love, as he was this year and has been in years past, that is something that makes him more valuable as a player, not something to be thrown out and ignored.

Of course, TT is emerging as a pretty elite rebounder, particularly for his height, so I don't think people should be offended by this comparison. But Love's advantages over TT lie in offensive strengths that we have not quite maximized as yet, although there were some games where you could see what a true three-headed offensive beast would look like. I would like to see us do so. Would also like to see Love's defense improve still further. Exciting that this team still has a lot of room to grow.
 
I had no idea Love was there last night. I don't think they even showed him on the telecast for some reason.
Wouldn't want to discredit the manufactured theory that he's leaving/has distanced himself from the team. That wouldn't be fun. That doesn't sell.

And this way, Windy gets to keep pretending Love has only been to one playoff game since injury.
 
This is false. Only Wade took less money.

Net-net, James and Bosh got a pay increase due to the tax situation in Florida.

Only staying in Cleveland would have resulted in a higher yearly income, whereas going to Chicago or New York would've amounted to a loss.



The Heat went to 4 NBA Finals, consecutively, and won 2 of them. That's anything but being defeated.

They were the most dominant team in the league during their run.



I agree with you here, but nowhere does this demonstrate how three max contracts are more of a detriment.

If the owner is willing to spend, and the CBA permits us to go over the cap to re-sign our own players and add talent through the MLE - and considering Cleveland is not a destination city - having three superstars on max contracts is simply a dream come true.



Both RFA's; they aren't going anywhere unless we aren't willing to pay or we can trade for something better.



If he were to do this, it would be to re-sign with the Cavs for more years.

He's happy here; by his own admission, he is happier here than anywhere else he's ever played. Why would he leave?



Again, the cap goes over $100M in 2 years; I think your cap space fears are unwarranted.

My fear is due to injury of any of the Big 3; that's why I want consolidation of talent rather than all of these player's re-signed. But that's another topic.



I'm not sure what you mean, but I will agree (I think) that it would've been nice to have Wiggins for this title run.



Dunno why folks keep thinking Love opts in....

Why on Earth would he?

Who gains from him opting in?

The Spurs were one Bosh rebound/Allen 3 pt shot away from clearly being the dominate team during this period. In any event, I don't think the separation is that clear to disqualify the alternative method of team building demonstrated by the Spurs.

Just for the record, below is the info I was using on the MIA James contract. While it is technically correct to say that they may have a net plus due the FL tax situation, it is also true that that all three players could have netted significantly more under the CBA:

Chad Ford, on his Twitter account, reported the contract details of the new Big Three of Miami Heat: LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

"LeBron & Bosh sign 6 year, $110M dollar deals. Wade signs 6 year, $107M dollar deal.
LeBron & Bosh start at $14.5M ... $2M less starting salary than max. Wade starts at $14.2M. Overall each took about $15M less

Obviously these 6 year deals for LeBron & Bosh mean that they both got their sign-and-trades"
 

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