Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Sebastian]

What does this mean, bro?

Love opting out has nothing to do with whether or not he leaves. It just maxes out his contract, even if he has 100% intention on staying; even if it means he wants nothing to do with free agency - it's just a contractual formality to increase his earnings.

He's not wrong.

 

[gourimoko]

Can't say Love should do it because LeBron did it.

I'm simply saying that is how he will likely structure his next contract. Again, we've known this since before he ever put on a Cavs jersey.

Also, Love specifically said he isn't opting out. Do I think he should do what LeBron did? Yes but I'll believe it when I see it

Love probably knows less about the contract structuring and "opting in" than we do. Windhorst, and many others have said that Love almost assuredly misspoke when he said he would "opt in," and instead simply meant "I won't test free agency."

"I think that we will figure it out here, so I don't plan on opting out or any of that," Love said. "I plan on being here."

Right, and "being here" and "opting out" have very little to do with one another.

His agent has surely called him, and explained this to him, as many commentators have already said.

 

[westsidebob]

Good lord, why would the Cavs have paid such a high price to bring Love here it there was any chance that either he'd leave or that they wouldn't want to keep him long term? You can take it to the bank that there was a verbal commitment from both sides that Love would be a Cav long term, otherwise he'd have never been brought in.

How can anyone not see this?

Let me introduce you to our power forward, Carlos Booz.....neeeeeevermind.

That said, nothing Love has done has given any indication he's pull that move.

I still don't believe we HAD to give Wiggins to get him. Dreams of Wiggins developing behind this bunch and a ten year window are what a few of us still imagine.

That said again, they resign everyone, Love and Andy come back at full stregnth and this team is unstoppable.

It's possible to have more than one opinion, know what I'm sayin'?

 

[Kizzle]

Van Gundy just said the dumbest shit on live TV of all time


"If the Cavs resign TT and Kevin Love, TT will be the starter"


I'm done

 

[Chris]

Van Gundy just said the dumbest shit on live TV of all time


"If the Cavs resign TT and Kevin Love, TT will be the starter"


I'm done

That guy gets paid big money to talk about sports on television in front of millions of people.

Let that sink in when you go to work tomorrow morning.

 

[Redzone]

Van Gundy just said the dumbest shit on live TV of all time


"If the Cavs resign TT and Kevin Love, TT will be the starter"


I'm done

Understand the agenda. I believe the following: Van Gundy is tv partners with Marc Jackson, who is repped by Rich Paul, LeBron's agent and also Tristan's agent. Jackson is helping LeBron pump up Tristan, so he gets paid. LeBron stumps for Mark Jackson as Cavs head coach. Paul then gives Jackson et al. inside info. And the beat goes on.

I believe they're hoping Love leaves and goes to one of their teams so Tristan can get paid. One way to help try accomplish this is to pump up Tristan and insult Love.

I agree that Van Gundy's comment, in my opinon, was that of a jackass.

 

[Lee]

Van Gundy just said the dumbest shit on live TV of all time


"If the Cavs resign TT and Kevin Love, TT will be the starter"


I'm done

I had to rewind that to make sure I heard it right. Love will start, and we will find more minutes for Tristan come next year.

Odd man out will by Andy even with the 10 mill a year price tag. Andy becomes our David Lee. Capable high priced big that has allot of DNP's and only see's significant minutes if there is an injury.

 

[spydy13]

I had to rewind that to make sure I heard it right. Love will start, and we will find more minutes for Tristan come next year.

Odd man out will by Andy even with the 10 mill a year price tag. Andy becomes our David Lee. Capable high priced big that has allot of DNP's and only see's significant minutes if there is an injury.

I'm gonna guess it will be:

C Mozzy 26 mins
PF Love 32 mins

Bench

TT 28 mins
Andy 10 mins

 

[cavsfever]

Love will start, but we've already seen that Blatt prefers TT in a lot of clutch moments because of TT's superior defense. Love has to continue to get better defensively.

 

[Helium filament]

Love will start, but we've already seen that Blatt prefers TT in a lot of clutch moments because of TT's superior defense. Love has to continue to get better defensively.

He never played TT over Love, this has been discussed ad nauseum. Blatt plays TT over Mozgov in the fourth. He played JJ instead of Love in very rare instances. Also Love is a better defensive player than TT, this has also been pointed out many times back when Kevin was healthy and playing.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Then the question becomes, is Love a Carlos Boozer type liar? I think he isn't. Then listen to what he's said every time he's been asked.

But this isn't a Carlos Boozer situation, where a statement is made one day and reversed just a few days later. This would have been something "promised" last summer, but then Love changed his mind after being here an entire season. It wasn't a lie.

I'm not saying Love is leaving. I don't think he is. I'm simply saying that the mere fact that he may told the Cavs last summer that he intended to stay doesn't make it a done deal. If he felt he wasn't treated as promised, he might leave.

 

[CommD]

Why the fuck are we talking about salary cap like any of us are paying these players? It's up to DAN GILBERT if he wants to open his wallet. How the fuck are you even arguing this at this point when you aren't adding funds to Dan Gilbert pockets.

Doesn't even make a lick of sense.

Then you constantly talking about the Miami Heat team, but they went to FOUR FINALS winning TWO. If we can do this, and win even one, that would be GREAT.

And if the salary cap does go to 100M. We'll be able to rotate these bench players with better ones.

The salary cap and related luxury taxes are a discussion item because they are a major environmental element for NBA teams. Fans of the team discuss the salary cap/luxury tax because it is major factor in if and how the team can be improved/maintained, whether players can be acquired, kept or traded.

Also team management actions can be scrutinized and critiqued by fans. For example, in the summer of 2009, when I discussed the Cavs (not on this board), I was of the opinion that if James did not sign an extension, he should be traded. Obviously this was a (severe) minority opinion because most fans wanted to go for the championship in the last year of James contract obligation, and could not really conceive of his actually leaving. Final result: the Cavs lose the consensus number one player in the league for no compensation. Obviously a ridiculous decision by Gilbert, but one that, on the surface he learned from:

The entire experience, in fact, taught Gilbert a valuable — and pricey — lesson about how to handle high-profile free agents in the future. NBA teams no longer can wait for another decision from free agents. ‘The big lesson was if a player is not willing to extend, no matter who they are, no matter where they are playing, no matter what kind of season you had, you can not risk going into a summer and having them leave in unrestricted free agency and get nothing back for it,’ Gilbert said. ‘It’s not the player’s fault. That’s on ownership.’​

Great, I say. Dan has learned his lesson. Then, what does he do two years after voicing this declaration in a slam magazine interview? Trade for Kevin Love, with only one year of control prior to a player option. We did not trade Love at the trade deadline, so now he holds all the cards and can potentially walk with no compensation after we traded the consensus No. pick and eventual rookie of the year for him.

It would be one thing if he had a super-production season, but he holds all the cards after an extremely inconsistent season that ended with injury thereby depriving the team and its fans of seeing how his playoff contribution could or couldn't propel us to a championship.

Seems like a Twilight Zone episode to me..haven't we been here before?

You damn straight I'm going to critique this shit, buddy.

 

[spydy13]

No. Nonononono.... For the millionth time no.

Kevin Love should opt out this summer, sign a James-esque 2-year deal with another opt out next summer; then opt out after again after that.

But Love opting out this year saves him $3m/yr and there is absolutely no reason for him not to.

And yes, I know people keep saying he will "opt in." Makes no sense.

I think people are mostly framing it that way because he isn't signing a long term deal (sure, there are some that are just misinformed). Yes, he will be opting out to sign a short term deal with an opt out so he can get more money for one year, but for all intents and purposes he is basically "opting in."

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The salary cap and related luxury taxes are a discussion item because they are a major environmental element for NBA teams. Fans of the team discuss the salary cap/luxury tax because it is major factor in if and how the team can be improved/maintained, whether players can be acquired, kept or traded.

Also team management actions can be scrutinized and critiqued by fans. For example, in the summer of 2009, when I discussed the Cavs (not on this board), I was of the opinion that if James did not sign an extension, he should be traded. Obviously this was a (severe) minority opinion because most fans wanted to go for the championship in the last year of James contract obligation, and could not really conceive of his actually leaving. Final result: the Cavs lose the consensus number one player in the league for no compensation. Obviously a ridiculous decision by Gilbert, but one that, on the surface he learned from:

The entire experience, in fact, taught Gilbert a valuable — and pricey — lesson about how to handle high-profile free agents in the future. NBA teams no longer can wait for another decision from free agents. ‘The big lesson was if a player is not willing to extend, no matter who they are, no matter where they are playing, no matter what kind of season you had, you can not risk going into a summer and having them leave in unrestricted free agency and get nothing back for it,’ Gilbert said. ‘It’s not the player’s fault. That’s on ownership.’​

Great, I say. Dan has learned his lesson. Then, what does he do two years after voicing this declaration in a slam magazine interview? Trade for Kevin Love, with only one year of control prior to a player option. We did not trade Love at the trade deadline, so now he holds all the cards and can potentially walk with no compensation after we traded the consensus No. pick and eventual rookie of the year for him.

It would be one thing if he had a super-production season, but he holds all the cards after an extremely inconsistent season that ended with injury thereby depriving the team and its fans of seeing how his playoff contribution could or couldn't propel us to a championship.

Seems like a Twilight Zone episode to me..haven't we been here before?

You damn straight I'm going to critique this shit, buddy.

This is like the Jonas V. thread, endlessly debating a decision made nearly a year ago when there's not a damn thing that can be done about it now.

Maybe the Cavs were dumb to trade for Love. But regardless of whether that decision was right or wrong, the argument that we shouldn't have traded for Love because he was only on a one year deal was already made here at least a 100 times. It's just mindless repetition of a stale, year old debate.

 

[gourimoko]

This is like the Jonas V. thread, endlessly debating a decision made nearly a year ago when there's not a damn thing that can be done about it now.

Maybe the Cavs were dumb to trade for Love. But regardless of whether that decision was right or wrong, the argument that we shouldn't have traded for Love because he was only on a one year deal was already made here at least a 100 times. It's just mindless repetition of a stale, year old debate.

No, there is value in the debate. Just as there is value in discussing mishaps of our own or other franchises. One who doesn't learn from his mistakes is doomed to repeat them.

But with that said, this simply isn't the thread for that discussion.