Kyrie Irving

[kardiak]

bingo. I always found the idea that Kyrie was supposed to be a savior was ridiculous. That he was crazy good, but not franchise-engulfing good was a great first step. I've gone on record regarding the other steps. If anyone on this team is retained IMO, Kyrie should be untouchable. If he's traded I'd want Rondo or better in return AT LEAST. (you can also say Delly earned a "no trade for 2014" slot too, LOL)

It will be interesting to see how the new coach values Delly as compared to Brown. I am not sure he will get the minutes he got last year and that may be influenced by who the number one pick is.

 

[Soda]

Fire Mike Brown, stop playing Tristan 30 mins a game or move him and stop trying to force the Waiters/Irving backcourt and that alone can pretty much put Irving back on the trajectory he was on before drafting Dion Waiters, then firing Byron Scott and forcing Irving to cover up for Mike Brown's inability to coach last season.

The most contentious point of the 3, is the Waiters Irving match... which I still believe is not optimal for either player.

Personality-wise, skill-wise, any-wise... Dion is too alpha and irrationally confident and Kyrie is trying to find that alpha in himself while being supremely more talented than Dion still.

Its a bad match that will be a bad match on the court unless Dion is convinced to play that 6th man role for life. Its not a position thing for me, its a skillset redundancy with a conflict of character in their personalities that wont allow them to mix with where each of them need to develop most and mature most.

Having a new offensive coach and a new defensive anchor COULD help, but Im more inclined to say there are still better matches for running mates for both guys and its still early enough where we dont have to keep playing with fire.

I was trying soooo hard not to thank the post after the convenient Tristan jab, but you left me without a choice :chuckles:

Dion is definitely irrationally confident, but I don't hate it. You need a different kind of alpha for Kyrie, who is the living definition of beta, though. Dude needs to use his sack for more than 12 minutes a game.

 

[DELONTEizDad]

Ahem.. Went over each of those names in detail. Those are (were) the best players in the game and on championship contenders. Remember I said (not a championship team; hence the reference to the Knicks, Rockets, and Clippers).



You are missing the qualifier here. We're talking about Durant being the best player in the league. How does "best player in the league" represent Kyrie's future situation? That's never going to happen. Again, if we're talking about Blake Griffin on the Clippers, rather than MVP Kevin Durant, Falk's argument doesn't apply.



Again, Durant is the best player in Falk's mind in 2 years. I'd say the same about LeBron. But the "homespun credibility" is nonsense to me. Championships are more important. It's why people love Kobe and LeBron, they are the best and they've proved it by winning championships.



Or maybe these agents know more than David Falk?



Dwight Howard damaged himself in the process. Had he stayed and become the franchise player, his value would have skyrocketed - at least, in my opinion.



I agree. Again, you're ignoring the point that I've made. Market size is a contributing factor, winning is important, but if you win in Cleveland and win in New York those translate to two different amounts of fans/viewership.



How's it now?

I'm assuming you don't know who David Falk is by your responses.

 

[DELONTEizDad]

side note: While Hillis was strangely good (for one year, as Browns players seem to be nowadays) I have a lingering feeling the reason he got that cover was so that they could avoid putting Mike Vick on it

I always assumed it was the absence of melanin.

 

[Dr. Claw]

The most contentious point of the 3, is the Waiters Irving match... which I still believe is not optimal for either player.

Personality-wise, skill-wise, any-wise... Dion is too alpha and irrationally confident and Kyrie is trying to find that alpha in himself while being supremely more talented than Dion still.

Its a bad match that will be a bad match on the court unless Dion is convinced to play that 6th man role for life. Its not a position thing for me, its a skillset redundancy with a conflict of character in their personalities that wont allow them to mix with where each of them need to develop most and mature most.

I agree fully with this post. One reason I wish those talks of Jeremy Lamb in deals with the Cavs were for real (someone said that he (and the others) were flaming pieces of poo... now I doubt Lamb will ever be wrested from OKC).

And it's not that I dislike Dion. He has the attitude I want on the Cavs but he does not fit with Irving IMO. He would, however, be a great on a team like the Bulls, who need a guard with his skill set.

I just hope with this latest "do-over" that Cleveland doesn't Cleveland.

I shouldn't have to specify what that is for anyone reading here.

 

[Dr. Claw]

I always assumed it was the absence of melanin.

lol, well, there is that.
but they could have easily put someone like Brady on the cover that year for that.

(another side note: I kind of was thinking that Jacob Hester... LSU alum who played on the Chargers IIRC would be in the NFL what Hillis was for the Browns that year)

 

[Futuredome]

I agree fully with this post. One reason I wish those talks of Jeremy Lamb in deals with the Cavs were for real (someone said that he (and the others) were flaming pieces of poo... now I doubt Lamb will ever be wrested from OKC).

And it's not that I dislike Dion. He has the attitude I want on the Cavs but he does not fit with Irving IMO. He would, however, be a great on a team like the Bulls, who need a guard with his skill set.

I just hope with this latest "do-over" that Cleveland doesn't Cleveland.

I shouldn't have to specify what that is for anyone reading here.

Irving doesn't fit with anybody. That is the point, you will not accept and it is destructive.

 

[chuck0609]

Irving doesn't fit with anybody. That is the point, you will not accept and it is destructive.

Not sure why this is difficult to see. He didn't fit in at Duke for his 12 or so games, and has yet to do so here. Its always everyone's fault that he isnt suceeding.

 

[s1ced]

Kyrie is 22 years old and going on his third Nba coach in four years give the kid a chance damn!! why do people want to trade him so badly now?

 

[Cavatt]

Kyrie is 22 years old and going on his third Nba coach in four years give the kid a chance damn!! why do people want to trade him so badly now?

Griff said it wasn't Kyrie, but we know he is at least partially responsible for the last 2 firings.

 

[s1ced]

Griff said it wasn't Kyrie, but we know he is at least partially responsible for the last 2 firings.

Grant def gets most of the blame for the last firing I believe by hiring him back in the first place

 

[Soda]

I always assumed it was the absence of melanin.

I'm saying it. The passive aggressive "haha all white people are racist" take is fucking annoying and is exactly what rational people want out of society.

Grow up.

 

[winner0274]

Don't get so defensive, whitey.

:chuckles:

 

[OptimusPrime]

Irving doesn't fit with anybody. That is the point, you will not accept and it is destructive.

I don't know why he would fit better with Jeremy Lamb if he won't pass him the ball. And if he is going to start passing the ball, he will fit even better with Waiters, so this whole discussion is a waste of time.

 

[LuNcHBoX]

side note: While Hillis was strangely good (for one year, as Browns players seem to be nowadays) I have a lingering feeling the reason he got that cover was so that they could avoid putting Mike Vick on it

I know that there was a contingent of Browns fans over on the Scout forums that were running auto-voting IP changing software for the entire contest to try and vote Hillis onto the cover. I can't say that alone was the reason he won but I know that it was going on and I highly doubt the rest of the country was suddenly watching the Browns and became Hillis fans overnight.