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Pretty funny moment from tonight's post-game presser with Kyrie.

Kyrie was asked: "Kyrie now that we are so far removed from it, do you ever look back at that first Portland game in the 3rd game of the year and view that as kind of the turning point for you?"

Kyrie [looking puzzled]: "Third game of the season? I don't even remember. I don't even remember the third - who did we play?"

Reporter: "Portland. And there was something in the locker room afterwards with LeBron.."

Kyrie [eyes lit up]: "OH! OH! You mean when everyone made something up? Oh OK. Yeah, no, I mean, I think that definitely was a turn for us, ugh.. Yeah.. Ugh, yeah, I agree with you."

:chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:
 
Look at Kyrie and Lebron's stats over the last 10 games and try not to soil yourself...
 
It's funny that after the premature praise Kyrie received his first three years for being some sort of superstar, there is now a vocal contingent claiming he is overrated or not very good. The irony is that I think this is the first year he is truly deserving of being an All Star and he might not make it.

Agree: his defense has really improved dramatically this year but people notice defensive improvement late and then overrate your D for a long time (ala Kobe). In previous years, PGs would just go off on him and that has completely changed this year so he deserves the All Star nod more then in the past. As noted he's hurt by his reputation as a poor defender and the Cavs playing poorly without Lebron.
 
I want to Kyrie to make the all-star team but I wouldn't mind him getting snubbed and then watching us face the Hawks in the playoffs...along with Lebron getting snubbed for the MVP. That should be enough motivation for a 2nd half push to make history!
 
Agree: his defense has really improved dramatically this year but people notice defensive improvement late and then overrate your D for a long time (ala Kobe). In previous years, PGs would just go off on him and that has completely changed this year so he deserves the All Star nod more then in the past. As noted he's hurt by his reputation as a poor defender and the Cavs playing poorly without Lebron.
It's not really a fair criticism either regarding the Cavs not doing well during the time when James was hurt.

Look, no one is going to argue that having the best player in the NBA back healthy and dominating again doesn't improve your chances to win dramatically. But, the issues the team was facing over that month-long drought where things just completely fell off the map were not due to LeBron James not playing alone. The issues started before he even exited the lineup.

Interestingly enough, the low point to me was the bludgeoning the Pistons gave us in late December and it was a game LeBron played, but Kyrie didn't. I thought that was the worst we looked all season in a game where the majority of our starters were on the floor. I'm not counting the Sixers loss where we had four out of five starters out.

LeBron's rest came at an opportune time for this narrative. We had lost 2 out of 3 with him. Both losses were to teams under .500 and the one win was a narrow one over a horrible Orlando team. The writing was on the wall as the schedule was about to toughen that the Cavs were in for a rough stretch with or without LeBron. Now, do we go 1-8 with LeBron on the floor? Probably not. But, we probably wouldn't have been a ton better with the way he was playing.

Irving, on the whole, has been fantastic this year. It has been easily his best start to a season in his career and he's already had some pretty good ones. The effort defensively and the way he is sacrificing touches and involvement offensively (as it compares to previous seasons) while actually having MORE impact than ever before is a great sign for the longterm future of this franchise.


I think a lot of people are burying the lead when they focus on what Kyrie did individually while LeBron was out. Yes, it is safe to say he wasn't as dominating in that span. There are lots of reasons for it, but I'm waiting for someone to explain to me why it's a bad thing to be the kind of player who can maximize his game while playing on the same court as other great players.

Would we really rather have a guy that will light it up when LeBron sits games out but then be marginalized when he's on the floor? Isn't the fact that Kyrie is so good playing alongside LeBron, like... the most incredible news ever? And something a lot of people openly worried about not being the case prior to seeing it happen right in front of them?
 
Kyrie's game has gone up another level now that LeBron is healthy.

There is only one thing keeping him from being the best pg in the league though.


He misses too many open teammates on the floor. Kevin Love had great post position several times and Kyrie fired up a shot instead (but can you blame him?). He also doesnt trust his passes as much on a pick and roll.

If Kyrie ever becomes a very good passer (he's good right now) and improves his court vision....watch out.
 
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Delighted to see light it up once again!

He slowly justifying his talent and evolving into one of the best guards in the league.

As for the Korver v/s Kyrie discussion, its not fair on either. Think, both should be in the All-Star team. Teague, Korver, Knight, Kyrie, Butler, Millsap, Bosh would be my reserves.
 
His defensive intensity last night was a sight for sore eyes. If he can give that consistently, people will have to start seriously considering him as one of the elite PGs in the league.
 
I think a lot of people are burying the lead when they focus on what Kyrie did individually while LeBron was out. Yes, it is safe to say he wasn't as dominating in that span. There are lots of reasons for it, but I'm waiting for someone to explain to me why it's a bad thing to be the kind of player who can maximize his game while playing on the same court as other great players.

This is ironic as this is being used to bust Korver's balls: he's not a complete player but his skills are being used by his team to create a lethal combination with the other players on the floor. This applies to a lot of the criticism of Love as well. I think it's extremely rare to have players with no weaknesses (Lebron, Duncan, Jordan) while you can have superstars who are the best at their position all time who do have weaknesses (Magic's defense and shooting come to mind).

I'm not as sanguine as you about Irving's play without James: he's not a good traditional PG by any stretch IMO. But I agree with you that with Lebron he's fantastic and that he shouldn't be punished for in essence playing out of position without James.
 
Call me naive, but I really believe Kyrie has what it takes to be an elite defender.
 
No analyst seems to think that Kyrie's gonna make the ASG. I really hope he does.
There's 7 spots...
It seems to be a given that 3 Hawks players will make it.
Then you've got Jimmy Butler who will make it.

That leaves 3 spots open for Kyrie, Knight, Vucevic, Wade, and Bosh…
It would be complete bullshit if any of those guys make it over Kyrie considering their records (except for Brandon Knight who is playing well on a winning team).
 
I think a lot of people are burying the lead when they focus on what Kyrie did individually while LeBron was out. Yes, it is safe to say he wasn't as dominating in that span. There are lots of reasons for it, but I'm waiting for someone to explain to me why it's a bad thing to be the kind of player who can maximize his game while playing on the same court as other great players.

That's a great point. Kyrie has played very intelligently this season, and isn't getting the credit for it that he should. You can tell that he's watching very closely how the game is going at any given point, and adjusts his own game accordingly so as to provide whatever the team needs most. When other guys are hitting shots and scoring, he'll facilitate and focus more on defense. When other guys aren't scoring -- as in last night -- he'll got into scoring beast mode.

His game has become very mature, and very unselfish. He's been the steadiest, most consistent player we've had all season, not just in terms of what he does, but in terms of his effort, intensity, keeping even-keeled emotionally, etc..

Absolutely worth every penny of that contract he signed.

In terms of making the ASG, his being the MVP of the World Championships this past summer is part of a pedigree that should give him the benefit of the doubt if it's close.
 
Call me naive, but I really believe Kyrie has what it takes to be an elite defender.


He doesnt have long arms which gets to a point that has always really bothered me. It is when people say defense is all effort. No effort has to be there but certain physical attributes are key.
 
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