LA cop killing spree

[OptimusPrime]

How is that the same? While I think the drone policy is too vague and should be amended, potentially using it against a guy running around killing cops and their families is hardly the government attacking us.

When was his jury trial? Or do you think those are outdated too?

 

[Marcus]

How is that the same? While I think the drone policy is too vague and should be amended, potentially using it against a guy running around killing cops and their families is hardly the government attacking us.

Also I think most people argue that guns would be relatively useless in protecting you from an impending drone attack.

It's a gateway. Plain and simple. Using drones to attack terrorists is one thing. People are freaking out (rightfully so) because it also allows the government jurisdiction as to who is a terrorist, and their US citizenship no longer protects them. This man is not a terrorist. He is mentally unstable vigilante.

It's the same deal as military personnel having the authority to detain any US citizen without due process under the pretense of them being a "suspected terrorist." Who decides who is a terrorist? What are the guidelines? Bottom line is, the government will soon have the right to drone strike any American citizen because they labeled them a terrorist, whether or not they actually suspect it. They already have the power to pick up any citizen off the streets under the guise of preemptively detaining a "suspected terrorist."

How much freedom are you willing to sacrifice in the name of national security?

 

[CHEECHREBORN]

It's a gateway. Plain and simple. Using drones to attack terrorists is one thing. People are freaking out (rightfully so) because it also allows the government jurisdiction as to who is a terrorist, and their US citizenship no longer protects them. This man is not a terrorist. He is mentally unstable vigilante.

It's the same deal as military personnel having the authority to detain any US citizen without due process under the pretense of them being a "suspected terrorist." Who decides who is a terrorist? What are the guidelines? Bottom line is, the government will soon have the right to drone strike any American citizen because they labeled them a terrorist, whether or not they actually suspect it. They already have the power to pick up any citizen off the streets under the guise of preemptively detaining a "suspected terrorist."

How much freedom are you willing to sacrifice in the name of national security?

Completely agree. What happened to constitutional rights such as due process?

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

It's a gateway. Plain and simple. Using drones to attack terrorists is one thing. People are freaking out (rightfully so) because it also allows the government jurisdiction as to who is a terrorist, and their US citizenship no longer protects them. This man is not a terrorist. He is mentally unstable vigilante.

It's the same deal as military personnel having the authority to detain any US citizen without due process under the pretense of them being a "suspected terrorist." Who decides who is a terrorist? What are the guidelines? Bottom line is, the government will soon have the right to drone strike any American citizen because they labeled them a terrorist, whether or not they actually suspect it. They already have the power to pick up any citizen off the streets under the guise of preemptively detaining a "suspected terrorist."

How much freedom are you willing to sacrifice in the name of national security?

Listen, I'm firmly against the current US drone policy when it comes to American Citizens.

However this is a unique situation. I'm not saying we should go bomb suspected terrorists who are US citizens. But when the guy is running around playing Rambo and killing cops, he forfeits his right to due process. He's killing cops and their families, he's a terrorist right now. Vigilantes don't target the families of people who have wronged them. Terrorism isn't insulated to the Middle East. He may not be waging war on the Great Satan, but he is waging war on the LAPD.

I do fear that it could be used as a gateway, but as I said, I think the drone policy needs to be amended as a whole. Even if they don't bomb him, drone could be useful in just locating the guy.

 

[MalTalm]

Listen, I'm firmly against the current US drone policy when it comes to American Citizens.

However this is a unique situation. I'm not saying we should go bomb suspected terrorists who are US citizens. But when the guy is running around playing Rambo and killing cops, he forfeits his right to due process. He's killing cops and their families, he's a terrorist right now. Vigilantes don't target the families of people who have wronged them. Terrorism isn't insulated to the Middle East. He may not be waging war on the Great Satan, but he is waging war on the LAPD.

I do fear that it could be used as a gateway, but as I said, I think the drone policy needs to be amended as a whole. Even if they don't bomb him, drone could be useful in just locating the guy.

I don't really disagree with you honestly, but there's no denying this is a slippery slope.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Listen, I'm firmly against the current US drone policy when it comes to American Citizens.

However this is a unique situation. I'm not saying we should go bomb suspected terrorists who are US citizens. But when the guy is running around playing Rambo and killing cops, he forfeits his right to due process. He's killing cops and their families, he's a terrorist right now. Vigilantes don't target the families of people who have wronged them. Terrorism isn't insulated to the Middle East. He may not be waging war on the Great Satan, but he is waging war on the LAPD.

I do fear that it could be used as a gateway, but as I said, I think the drone policy needs to be amended as a whole. Even if they don't bomb him, drone could be useful in just locating the guy.

I assume (maybe I shouldn't be) that a drone in this situation is to be used to find him, not kill him. It's very slippery if killing him with it is the goal.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I assume (maybe I shouldn't be) that a drone in this situation is to be used to find him, not kill him. It's very slippery if killing him with it is the goal.

I'm not totally up to date with what's happening. I assume drone usage would be to find him as well, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they took him out with one assuming no civilian casualties.

 

[MalTalm]

I'm not totally up to date with what's happening. I assume drone usage would be to find him as well, but I wouldn't be entirely shocked if they took him out with one assuming no civilian casualties.

Imagine the uproar if they get that ID wrong.

 

[CHEECHREBORN]

I assume (maybe I shouldn't be) that a drone in this situation is to be used to find him, not kill him. It's very slippery if killing him with it is the goal.

If the LAPD officers were shooting at trucks that look nothing like Dorner's; I'm guessing that he won't survive a drone encounter

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Imagine the uproar if they get that ID wrong.

It would be incredible. Remember cops have already been shooting at the wrong trucks and injuring people trying to get this guy.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

I'm sorry, but using drones to find and kill this guy could be absolutely catastrophic. This isn't mistaking a truck or 3 as being his. This would be ending another person's life. The uproar/outrage could spark some seriously volatile situations. Talk about protests? Shit. There could be riots. And that brings us back to the new protesting laws in place. This could get ugly.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Imagine the uproar if they get that ID wrong.

There would be no uproar. Look at this thread where you have government cheerleaders rooting for the end of basic human rights in this country. Very few would give a fuck, and those are the ones already fed up. No right to life, no right to property, no right to bear arms, no right to privacy against warrantless searches, no right to a fair trial, or even a trial at all. What country is this?

 

[OptimusPrime]

I'm sorry, but using drones to find and kill this guy could be absolutely catastrophic. This isn't mistaking a truck or 3 as being his. This would be ending another person's life. The uproar/outrage could spark some seriously volatile situations. Talk about protests? Shit. There could be riots. And that brings us back to the new protesting laws in place. This could get ugly.

Protesting? Only in state sanctioned free speech zones. And only if the police there don't blow your fucking brains out. Good luck with that.

 

[Pick6]

The media has absolutely taken a step in the right direction regarding ethics... Colombine was on the news 24/7 for an extended amount of time.. Barely heard anything about any of the recent shooters

The Dark Knight theater shooting? The Newtown shootings?

 

[Marcus]

Listen, I'm firmly against the current US drone policy when it comes to American Citizens.

However this is a unique situation. I'm not saying we should go bomb suspected terrorists who are US citizens. But when the guy is running around playing Rambo and killing cops, he forfeits his right to due process. He's killing cops and their families, he's a terrorist right now. Vigilantes don't target the families of people who have wronged them. Terrorism isn't insulated to the Middle East. He may not be waging war on the Great Satan, but he is waging war on the LAPD.

I do fear that it could be used as a gateway, but as I said, I think the drone policy needs to be amended as a whole. Even if they don't bomb him, drone could be useful in just locating the guy.

That last question was meant to be more rhetorical than anything. But even by using that drone within our borders, it becomes a slippery slope, whether or not the ones controlling it fire missiles, imo. The drone policy does need to be amended, though. Look at all the collateral damage they have caused in the Middle East, even though they have proven very successful in taking down key Al Qaeda and Taliban members.