Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[CardiacCavs]

we were 14-15 games under .500 in early March, and that was a playoff push?. Now if we win these next 3 games and ATL loses 3, now next weeks games I would foir sure consider meaningful.

I don't think our record at the time mattered as much as the distance between us and the teams that were 7-8th seeded. Those teams' records were just as bad as ours. I just think that when we look back after we miss the playoffs, that stretch of games would be an easy place to look at as the turning point where we fell too far behind and couldn't make it up.

 

[brownindian]

Come on play hard and lose. We need that pick :gap:

 

[Clevelander]

god damnit as soon as i lost interest in cavs basketball and stop watching, we actually start playing and getting wins! and especially without our star player and several other key guys.

glad to see this team finally starting to gel.

 

[Goldin Brown]

 

[KentuckyCav]

These past few games are a facade. An illusion in the desert looming ahead of the Cavaliers. The rebuild has failed and now the team has only a few unlikely options to right the ship this offseason. The fact that they're 99% missing the playoffs and 99% missing getting a high pick in the draft(to pick one of Wiggins,Parker,Randle,Embiid) are two HUGE negatives going into next year. Whoever is GM is going to have to either acquire a star, draft a star, or (if Kyrie doesn't sign an extension) blow up the team. Any other path is going to put this team in Atlanta Hawks mediocre NBA team purgatory.

And that would be worse than the past 4 seasons, by far. Sorry I don't know why this is so negative but that's where I'm at as a fan. I just feel defeated...

But whatever happens, PLEASE KEEP DION WAITERS

 

[supermario21]

I don't know why everyone thinks this team is headed for NBA purgatory. You're in purgatory when you're pushing the tax line with max contracts for guys like Joe Johnson and Josh Smith. Our potential is nowhere near tapped out. Heck, I just think we're starting to tap into the lowest levels of it and we're now seeing cohesion as a team.

 

[WUJU]

My rant regarding this season.

The off season moves had me pumped. I loved them. Did not work out.

The in season moves I liked. So mixed results.

But, what drives me crazy the most about this season is that this team has had multiple opportunities to win games and let them slip by the way side. We have 5 more wins and we are talking playoffs. Here are 5 games this season that come to mind that the Cavs SHOULD have won but didn't.

11/6 @ Milwaukee- The Bucks were short handed that night and the Cavs took them lightly. Cavs were down most of the game then eventually took the lead late in the Game . But a missed block out assignment went all for not.
11/22 @ New Orleans- Cavs up 12 points with less than 4 minutes to go. Assumed they would win and no deal Howie. They blow the game.
12/17 vs. Portland- This was a fun game to watch. Cavs were playing great offensively but again got complacent at the end and lose on a buzzer beater in OT.
12/26 vs. Atlanta- Cavs up by 4 or 5 in regulation with less than a minute. CRUMBLE. Goes into Double OT and lose. This loss sucked. I was at this game and the Euro backup center for the Hawks did not play all game until Horford got hurt. Comes in and nails a corner 3 in one of the OT's. Back breaking.
12/29 vs Golden State - Cavs winning all game got complacent at end goes to OT and they lose.

This was all in the beginning of the season. See a trend? Getting complacent when they thought victory was well in hand. I am sure there are other games that can be added but those 5 stick out the most to me.

I am glad that they are making progress towards the end of the season on close games, and hopefully, finally, maybe learning how to win them.

I would still love if a miracle happened and they somehow get into the playoffs, but I am glad that positives are being displayed toward the end of this season

 

[KentuckyCav]

:shakehead

I'm sorry but this team is NOT going 9-1 the rest of the way and making the playoffs this year. Not happening.

Aside from that, the fact you see this "positive swing" at the end of the season means absolutely nothing, sans losing a good draft pick. It wouldn't carry over to next season, and even if it did, this team is about to get blown up. People need to start coming to terms with this season being a major step back. If they aren't headed for Atlanta Hawks-style NBA Purgatory, then this is the beginning of another long rebuild. Think 2010-2011 season. That is where this is at again.

Oh, and Mike Brown is the coach. ..

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

:shakehead

I'm sorry but this team is NOT going 9-1 the rest of the way and making the playoffs this year. Not happening.

Aside from that, the fact you see this "positive swing" at the end of the season means absolutely nothing, sans losing a good draft pick. It wouldn't carry over to next season, and even if it did, this team is about to get blown up. People need to start coming to terms with this season being a major step back. If they aren't headed for Atlanta Hawks-style NBA Purgatory, then this is the beginning of another long rebuild. Think 2010-2011 season. That is where this is at again.

Oh, and Mike Brown is the coach. ..

:thumbdown <- Non thanks button.

 

[KentuckyCav]

:thumbdown <- Non thanks button.

Hah.. obviously I would hope that those things don't come true, but really it's just how I perceive the situation.

Guess that's why I'm ranting. I hate appearing so cynical, but I'm just so disappointed with the way this season turned out, maybe it's skewing my perspective... But I doubt it.

 

[MirORich]

This was all in the beginning of the season. See a trend? Getting complacent when they thought victory was well in hand. I am sure there are other games that can be added but those 5 stick out the most to me.

Yes, the trend was stubborn players trying to rely solely on talent to get wins and not yet giving their full attention and effort to the coaching staffs gameplans and defensive plrinciples.

Once the talent was upgraded, the players were shown over and over again on tape what not playing to the system resulted in, and they began to buy in better, the play has improved.

Had they bought in from the start and not been so hard headed, we likely would have not lost a few of those early season games against teams like Philly, Milwaukee and Orlando.

Add the Bynum debacle that the players and the staff had thrust on them and it's not hard to understand why the beginning of the season went as it did.

 

[MirORich]

:shakehead

I'm sorry but this team is NOT going 9-1 the rest of the way and making the playoffs this year. Not happening.

Aside from that, the fact you see this "positive swing" at the end of the season means absolutely nothing, sans losing a good draft pick. It wouldn't carry over to next season, and even if it did, this team is about to get blown up. People need to start coming to terms with this season being a major step back. If they aren't headed for Atlanta Hawks-style NBA Purgatory, then this is the beginning of another long rebuild. Think 2010-2011 season. That is where this is at again.

Oh, and Mike Brown is the coach. ..

I don't really think you understand the dynamics of what you;re talking about if you continue to compare this teams trajectory to the 2009-2011 Atlanta Hawks.

Comparing those two teams, you're not understanding the ages of the players, the salary cap situation, the future draft picks.

It's as if you think there are only three phases of an NBA team: tankers, treadmill of mediocrity, and legit championship contenders. Obviously the end goal is the very small list of true championship contenders, but teams have to travel the distance between average and true contender. With the exception of crazy trade or FA manipulations like the 2007 Celtics or 2011 Heat, it doesn't just happen overnight.

Do you not have the patience and fortitude to witness the travel from point A to point B? Or will you only be comfortable with trajectories that only follow exactly point by point to the Heat, Celtics, or OKC? Because we still have the developing young talent on the roster, roster/cap flexibility, and draft assets to absolutely become a team that competes for the championship in the near to mid future

 

[Nathan S]

:shakehead

I'm sorry but this team is NOT going 9-1 the rest of the way and making the playoffs this year. Not happening.

This team needed a 10-0 run to win with 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter last night. What did they do? They fucking went on a 10-0 run and won the game.

I'm no fool and I understand that there's a lot of random chance involved in these things. But these Cavs are playing the kind of basketball that gives them a chance to do extraordinary things, and it would be foolish to count them out.

 

[KentuckyCav]

Do you not have the patience and fortitude to witness the travel from point A to point B? Or will you only be comfortable with trajectories that only follow exactly point by point to the Heat, Celtics, or OKC? Because we still have the developing young talent on the roster, roster/cap flexibility, and draft assets to absolutely become a team that competes for the championship in the near to mid future

I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

 

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

I think this is where we disagree. I don't see that, especially now that I believe Kyrie will be traded. How can you be so sure that Bennett, Karasev, Zeller will be anything other than draft busts?

I wish I had your optimism, but I've been let down too much by this organization to expect them to get it right.

How can you be so sure that they will be draft busts? Zeller being as productive as he's been proves his not a bust considering where he was drafted. We knew Karasev was a project, and Bennett can still turn into something but I understand the pessimism on him.

Kyrie is not being traded either. He will not turn down an extension from the Cavs. No one ever has turned down the extension he is going to be offered, and he's not going to be the first. Step back from that ledge my friend.